Proxalert R5 Proximity alerter

Hi,
Aviation Consumer finally evaluated the Proxalert R5 proximity alerter
and what they say is crystal clear : "It has better performance and
features" than other devices and "The R5 is the easy winner over
Surecheck" trafficscope.

Those interested could buy a copy of the article at
www.aviation-consumer.com"

Andrew

At 07:54 21 May 2004, Andrew wrote:
Hi,
Aviation Consumer finally evaluated the Proxalert R5
proximity alerter
and what they say is crystal clear : 'It has better
performance and
features' than other devices and 'The R5 is the easy
winner over
Surecheck' trafficscope.

Those interested could buy a copy of the article at
www.aviation-consumer.com'

Andrew

As one of those who is sceptical about such devices
for glider use, I have looked the following web page
which gives details of the device

http://www.avionix.com/collis.html

To try to keep my comment brief I have cut and pasted
relevent bits, to get the full descrition look at the
web pages

'TrafficScope is a completely self-contained passive
collision avoidance system designed to indicate and
alert traffic around your aircraft. TrafficScope VRX
displays the three most threatening aircraft with digitally-precis
e range'

'The system listens for transponder replies from aircraft
in the area and derives altitude and range information
on-the-fly. When target aircraft are interrogated by
ground radar or any other active system, such as TCAS,
the transponder responds with range and altitude (Mode
C) information.'

'All transponder-equipped aircraft will be displayed
on the easy-to-read, backlit LCD display, along with
TCAS-style warning indicators, and professionally-recorded
audio alerts indicating traffic threats.'

There is a place for such a device, but in free airspace
unless we are all equipped then such a device could
be as much a danger as help. It could lead some to
fly in the belief that they are safe, especially when
the sky gets busy.

It is however a start, but have you seen the price!!!!!

Dave Martin

Dave Martin wrote in message ...
At 07:54 21 May 2004, Andrew wrote:
Hi,
Aviation Consumer finally evaluated the Proxalert R5
proximity alerter
and what they say is crystal clear : 'It has better
performance and
features' than other devices and 'The R5 is the easy
winner over
Surecheck' trafficscope.

Those interested could buy a copy of the article at
www.aviation-consumer.com'

Andrew

As one of those who is sceptical about such devices
for glider use, I have looked the following web page
which gives details of the device

http://www.avionix.com/collis.html

To try to keep my comment brief I have cut and pasted
relevent bits, to get the full descrition look at the
web pages

'TrafficScope is a completely self-contained passive
collision avoidance system designed to indicate and
alert traffic around your aircraft. TrafficScope VRX
displays the three most threatening aircraft with digitally-precis
e range'

'The system listens for transponder replies from aircraft
in the area and derives altitude and range information
on-the-fly. When target aircraft are interrogated by
ground radar or any other active system, such as TCAS,
the transponder responds with range and altitude (Mode
C) information.'

'All transponder-equipped aircraft will be displayed
on the easy-to-read, backlit LCD display, along with
TCAS-style warning indicators, and professionally-recorded
audio alerts indicating traffic threats.'

There is a place for such a device, but in free airspace
unless we are all equipped then such a device could
be as much a danger as help. It could lead some to
fly in the belief that they are safe, especially when
the sky gets busy.

It is however a start, but have you seen the price!!!!!

Dave Martin

What's the cost of a mid air collision ???

According to Aviation COnsumer the Proxalert R5 has better
performances and features than the Surecheck Trafficscope. Considering
a usage in a glider
the R5 power consumption is very low (1 watt) compared to 5 watts for
the Trafficscope. Last but not least the R5 displays simultaneously
the three closest threat including code and trend. Have a look at the
Trafficscope display and you will see by yourself that there is no
room to display the info of these three threats.

Andrew

Dave Martin wrote:
As one of those who is sceptical about such devices
for glider use, I have looked the following web page
which gives details of the device

http://www.avionix.com/collis.html

To try to keep my comment brief I have cut and pasted
relevent bits, to get the full descrition look at the
web pages

'TrafficScope is a completely self-contained passive
collision avoidance system designed to indicate and
alert traffic around your aircraft. TrafficScope VRX
displays the three most threatening aircraft with digitally-precis
e range'

'The system listens for transponder replies from aircraft
in the area and derives altitude and range information
on-the-fly. When target aircraft are interrogated by
ground radar or any other active system, such as TCAS,
the transponder responds with range and altitude (Mode
C) information.'
snipped

Mode C transponders do NOT transmit "Range" information. The range in
normal operation is measured by the secondary radar which interrogates
the device.
The only information in the transponder transmission is the Code (set
by the pilot on the switches on the transponder) and the Altitude,
taken from an altitude encoder.
AFAIK, these collision warning gadjets use a measure of the received
signal strength as an indication of how far away the transponder is.
This is a rather inaccurate measurement, as it depends on the actual
power output of the transponder, the orientation and possible
shielding of the antennas, as well as the distance.
That being said, I guess some warning is better than no warning, but
don't put too much faith in the "distance" figure.
Cheers, John G.

My Trafficscope has always been extremely accurate in range. I think
their engineering took into account all of the factors you mentined.
All I can say is that if anyone who is conered with surrounding
traffic, the VRX trafficscope is the most accurate and dependable
device on the market today.


"John Giddy" wrote in message ...
Dave Martin wrote:
As one of those who is sceptical about such devices
for glider use, I have looked the following web page
which gives details of the device

http://www.avionix.com/collis.html

To try to keep my comment brief I have cut and pasted
relevent bits, to get the full descrition look at the
web pages

'TrafficScope is a completely self-contained passive
collision avoidance system designed to indicate and
alert traffic around your aircraft. TrafficScope VRX
displays the three most threatening aircraft with digitally-precis
e range'

'The system listens for transponder replies from aircraft
in the area and derives altitude and range information
on-the-fly. When target aircraft are interrogated by
ground radar or any other active system, such as TCAS,
the transponder responds with range and altitude (Mode
C) information.'
snipped

Mode C transponders do NOT transmit "Range" information. The range in
normal operation is measured by the secondary radar which interrogates
the device.
The only information in the transponder transmission is the Code (set
by the pilot on the switches on the transponder) and the Altitude,
taken from an altitude encoder.
AFAIK, these collision warning gadjets use a measure of the received
signal strength as an indication of how far away the transponder is.
This is a rather inaccurate measurement, as it depends on the actual
power output of the transponder, the orientation and possible
shielding of the antennas, as well as the distance.
That being said, I guess some warning is better than no warning, but
don't put too much faith in the "distance" figure.
Cheers, John G.

The proxalert isn't even a competitor. It is made by some guy in
France, and has little support or credibility.

The trafficscope is made in the US and has a lot more support.

As far as power, the R5 is only good with ships powr and to 12 volts.
Very limited compared to the trafficscope which is battery or up to 40
volts.

The aviation consumer article was written by a rival of Surecheck
named bertorelli, and thus isn't a real comparison in my opinion.

For the price, people can get a Trafficscope for $985 which is less
than the proxalert which has many bugs from talking to a couple of
pilots who have tried it.

(Andrew) wrote in message . com...
Dave Martin wrote in message ...
At 07:54 21 May 2004, Andrew wrote:
Hi,
Aviation Consumer finally evaluated the Proxalert R5
proximity alerter
and what they say is crystal clear : 'It has better
performance and
features' than other devices and 'The R5 is the easy
winner over
Surecheck' trafficscope.

Those interested could buy a copy of the article at
www.aviation-consumer.com'

Andrew

As one of those who is sceptical about such devices
for glider use, I have looked the following web page
which gives details of the device

http://www.avionix.com/collis.html

To try to keep my comment brief I have cut and pasted
relevent bits, to get the full descrition look at the
web pages

'TrafficScope is a completely self-contained passive
collision avoidance system designed to indicate and
alert traffic around your aircraft. TrafficScope VRX
displays the three most threatening aircraft with digitally-precis
e range'

'The system listens for transponder replies from aircraft
in the area and derives altitude and range information
on-the-fly. When target aircraft are interrogated by
ground radar or any other active system, such as TCAS,
the transponder responds with range and altitude (Mode
C) information.'

'All transponder-equipped aircraft will be displayed
on the easy-to-read, backlit LCD display, along with
TCAS-style warning indicators, and professionally-recorded
audio alerts indicating traffic threats.'

There is a place for such a device, but in free airspace
unless we are all equipped then such a device could
be as much a danger as help. It could lead some to
fly in the belief that they are safe, especially when
the sky gets busy.

It is however a start, but have you seen the price!!!!!

Dave Martin

What's the cost of a mid air collision ???

According to Aviation COnsumer the Proxalert R5 has better
performances and features than the Surecheck Trafficscope. Considering
a usage in a glider
the R5 power consumption is very low (1 watt) compared to 5 watts for
the Trafficscope. Last but not least the R5 displays simultaneously
the three closest threat including code and trend. Have a look at the
Trafficscope display and you will see by yourself that there is no
room to display the info of these three threats.

Andrew

At 06:48 28 May 2004, Bhelman wrote:
My Trafficscope has always been extremely accurate
in range. I think their engineering took into account
all of the factors you mentioned.
All I can say is that if anyone who is conered with
surrounding
traffic, the VRX trafficscope is the most accurate
and dependable device on the market today.


OK

Here is the desrcition from the Trafficscope web site...

'The new TrafficScope models contain the latest third-generation
TPAS™ (Traffic Proximity Alert System) technology.
TrafficScope listens for transponder replies from all
aircraft within the detection window and derives altitude
and range information on-the-fly. When target aircraft
are interrogated by ground radar or any other active
system, such as TCAS, the transponder responds with
range and altitude (Mode C) information.

TrafficScope also listens to your own transponder to
establish a base reference. Since virtually 100% of
the US and most outlying airspace falls within radar
coverage, aircraft can be detected with a great amount
of certainty. TrafficScope is mircoprocessor controlled
and utilizes menus to assist pilots in a aspects of
fight.'

UK cost £585

As few gliders in the UK are fitted with transponders,
all most all fly in uncontrolled airspace and airport
radar has difficulty in detecting relatively slow moving
glass gliders. In some case the signals are filtered
out.

I am not being deliberately negative, but at the present
time the benefits do not appear practical. Whilst I
do not doubt that the equipment is dependable it can
only give advice on the target it can see.

It may be worth running a few tests, could you ask
the manufacturers for a few samples?
Dave

Bhelman is ridiculous ... When Avcon said in their April 2004 issue
surecheck is 'slightly better' than the Monroy Surecheck found useful
to report this
statement on their website.

When the same Aviation Consumer says in their June 2004 that the
Proxalert R5
is the EASY WINNER over surecheck, Surecheck people like Bhelman says
AvCon is biased ...

Have a look at Avcon reaction over Surecheck usage of their logo in
Avcon article 'Surecheck altered reality'. They recommend potential
customers to be very cautious with what they advertize on surecheck
website ...

Saying that Proxalert is not a US company is a lie. Check Arizona
company file !
Nevertheless using this kind of argument is very poor and it shows how
desperate these surecheck guys are ...

One of my best friend is german and worked as the key architect during
the design of the IBM AS/400 in Stuttgart. He designed a wonderful and
very successful product. He is not american so what ?
The transponder system as virtually every piece of technology is based
on international standards this is why the Proxalert R5 works
everywhere with the same performance.

Bhelman reacts as someone who perfectly knows that his product is very
limited and use ridiculous arguments to convince himself that he will
not lose ground on this market.

The Proxalert R5 works from 6 to 35 volts with a power consumption of
1 watt where the surecheck 'pumps' 5 watts.
The surecheck can only display info about one traffic. When there are
more it is lost. No squawk info and no trend. Have a look at their
altitude alerter, they added this function after Proxalert announced
the R5. The R5 includes a very powerful altitude alerter function. The
LCD displays your own MSL altitude and your altitude drift. No need to
scroll thru menu to activate/deactivate the function like on the
surecheck. On the Proxalert R5 you get a dedicated key to set/reset
this function.

Read carefully Aviation Consumer June 2004 article and you will see
that the Proxalert R5 is far better than the surecheck gadget.

This is what they say :

"It is cheaper than the Surecheck(c) and has better performance and
features"

"The R5 is the easy winner over Surecheck(c)"

"We think the R5 is worth the additional $250 over the Monroy(c)"

The surecheck products are very well advertized to hide poor products.
It was the same story for their TPAS shoe box.

Finally Avcon evaluation is the only independant one to trust.

Everybody is fed up by these spam reports posted here by surecheck
friends or owners since months.

Andrew,


Dave Martin wrote in message ...
At 07:54 21 May 2004, Andrew wrote:
Hi,
Aviation Consumer finally evaluated the Proxalert R5
proximity alerter
and what they say is crystal clear : 'It has better
performance and
features' than other devices and 'The R5 is the easy
winner over
Surecheck' trafficscope.

Those interested could buy a copy of the article at
www.aviation-consumer.com'

Andrew

As one of those who is sceptical about such devices
for glider use, I have looked the following web page
which gives details of the device

http://www.avionix.com/collis.html

To try to keep my comment brief I have cut and pasted
relevent bits, to get the full descrition look at the
web pages

'TrafficScope is a completely self-contained passive
collision avoidance system designed to indicate and
alert traffic around your aircraft. TrafficScope VRX
displays the three most threatening aircraft with digitally-precis
e range'

'The system listens for transponder replies from aircraft
in the area and derives altitude and range information
on-the-fly. When target aircraft are interrogated by
ground radar or any other active system, such as TCAS,
the transponder responds with range and altitude (Mode
C) information.'

'All transponder-equipped aircraft will be displayed
on the easy-to-read, backlit LCD display, along with
TCAS-style warning indicators, and professionally-recorded
audio alerts indicating traffic threats.'

There is a place for such a device, but in free airspace
unless we are all equipped then such a device could
be as much a danger as help. It could lead some to
fly in the belief that they are safe, especially when
the sky gets busy.

It is however a start, but have you seen the price!!!!!

Dave Martin

absolute garbage. The proxcopy isn't less expensive at all. In fact it
is a couple hundred dollars more and falls at the bottom of the list.
http://www.avionix.com/collis.html

As far as avcon, you are reffering to paul who also thought gps would
be decades off from GA. He has little credibility in my book since
1990's

Learn English.