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CEOs can be let go if the board thinks their saleries are too
high, pilots cannot. What about being let go for incompetence? You don't see this happen very often, though you should. How many companies are run into the ground by incompetent CEO's who then walk away at the end with a boat load of cash. If another CEO offers to work for Delta for less, the board can fire the current CEO and hire the less expensive guy at any time. Huh? So these CEO's are just working paycheck to paycheck? ; ) I think I remember something about a contract. "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message om... "Peter MacPherson" wrote in message news:464ld.24424$V41.22997@attbi_s52... Did Delta also end an era of luxurious "management pay" by 32.5 percent? I tend to think not..... Perhaps I'm too conservative but I'll never understand that line of thinking. Pilot's saleries are dictated by unions. There are 100 pilots wanting to work for every airline pilot employeed. Saleries would normally be quite low with so many wanting those jobs, but the union makes them high. Executives have high saleries because they do a job few can do. Not many people on this planet can be good CEOs. CEOs are highly paid for the same reason NBA Basketball stars are, not many people can do those jobs. CEOs can be let go if the board thinks their saleries are too high, pilots cannot. If another CEO offers to work for Delta for less, the board can fire the current CEO and hire the less expensive guy at any time. The board cannot just hire their friends because they can get fired. The institutional investors and fund managers make their money 100% on the company's bottom line. They will not stand for spending their money on a CEO being paid more than he's worth on the market. The board are elected by these fund managers and institutional invesytors. If the company spends more money than they need to, the stock will do less well, the fund managers will lower their efficiency rating, and investors (mostly retirement accounts) will choose other funds to invest in. Everyone has someone to answer to. A good CEO can make or break a company, its worth paying full market rate for a good CEO. Free market economics works amazingly well if we just let it be free. -Robert, FAA Certified Flight Instructor, Commercial Pilot and MBA |
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Very well said. I hate to say it put if you can replace the pilots with
pilots of the same skill for less the company should be able to do it. "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message om... "Peter MacPherson" wrote in message news:464ld.24424$V41.22997@attbi_s52... Did Delta also end an era of luxurious "management pay" by 32.5 percent? I tend to think not..... Perhaps I'm too conservative but I'll never understand that line of thinking. Pilot's saleries are dictated by unions. There are 100 pilots wanting to work for every airline pilot employeed. Saleries would normally be quite low with so many wanting those jobs, but the union makes them high. Executives have high saleries because they do a job few can do. Not many people on this planet can be good CEOs. CEOs are highly paid for the same reason NBA Basketball stars are, not many people can do those jobs. CEOs can be let go if the board thinks their saleries are too high, pilots cannot. If another CEO offers to work for Delta for less, the board can fire the current CEO and hire the less expensive guy at any time. The board cannot just hire their friends because they can get fired. The institutional investors and fund managers make their money 100% on the company's bottom line. They will not stand for spending their money on a CEO being paid more than he's worth on the market. The board are elected by these fund managers and institutional invesytors. If the company spends more money than they need to, the stock will do less well, the fund managers will lower their efficiency rating, and investors (mostly retirement accounts) will choose other funds to invest in. Everyone has someone to answer to. A good CEO can make or break a company, its worth paying full market rate for a good CEO. Free market economics works amazingly well if we just let it be free. -Robert, FAA Certified Flight Instructor, Commercial Pilot and MBA |
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I think your wrong a good CEO is the company and there are few talented
enough to do the job. "Earl Grieda" wrote in message nk.net... "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message om... "Peter MacPherson" wrote in message news:464ld.24424$V41.22997@attbi_s52... Did Delta also end an era of luxurious "management pay" by 32.5 percent? I tend to think not..... ..snip Executives have high saleries because they do a job few can do. Not many people on this planet can be good CEOs. CEOs are highly paid for the same reason NBA Basketball stars are, not many people can do those jobs. Baloney. This is just CEO propanganda. Easily, 50% or more, of middle managers could do the CEO job. There is nothing difficult or special about it. Simply because management is a pyramid with one job at the top does not mean that the top job is so special that only a few are capable of doing it. In the computer industry most engineers could be adequate CEOs, but few CEOs can be even mediocre engineers. Earl G |
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"Peter MacPherson" wrote in message news:... CEOs can be let go if the board thinks their saleries are too high, pilots cannot. What about being let go for incompetence? You don't see this happen very often, though you should. How many companies are run into the ground by incompetent CEO's who then walk away at the end with a boat load of cash. If another CEO offers to work for Delta for less, the board can fire the current CEO and hire the less expensive guy at any time. Huh? So these CEO's are just working paycheck to paycheck? ; ) I think I remember something about a contract. "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message om... "Peter MacPherson" wrote in message news:464ld.24424$V41.22997@attbi_s52... Did Delta also end an era of luxurious "management pay" by 32.5 percent? I tend to think not..... Perhaps I'm too conservative but I'll never understand that line of thinking. Pilot's saleries are dictated by unions. There are 100 pilots wanting to work for every airline pilot employeed. Saleries would normally be quite low with so many wanting those jobs, but the union makes them high. Executives have high saleries because they do a job few can do. Not many people on this planet can be good CEOs. CEOs are highly paid for the same reason NBA Basketball stars are, not many people can do those jobs. CEOs can be let go if the board thinks their saleries are too high, pilots cannot. If another CEO offers to work for Delta for less, the board can fire the current CEO and hire the less expensive guy at any time. The board cannot just hire their friends because they can get fired. The institutional investors and fund managers make their money 100% on the company's bottom line. They will not stand for spending their money on a CEO being paid more than he's worth on the market. The board are elected by these fund managers and institutional invesytors. If the company spends more money than they need to, the stock will do less well, the fund managers will lower their efficiency rating, and investors (mostly retirement accounts) will choose other funds to invest in. Everyone has someone to answer to. A good CEO can make or break a company, its worth paying full market rate for a good CEO. Free market economics works amazingly well if we just let it be free. -Robert, FAA Certified Flight Instructor, Commercial Pilot and MBA |
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CEOs can be let go if the board thinks their saleries are too
high, pilots cannot. What about being let go for incompetence? You don't see this happen very often, though you should. How many companies are run into the ground by incompetent CEO's who then walk away at the end with a boat load of cash. If another CEO offers to work for Delta for less, the board can fire the current CEO and hire the less expensive guy at any time. Huh? So these CEO's are just working paycheck to paycheck? ; ) I think I remember something about a contract. "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message om... "Peter MacPherson" wrote in message news:464ld.24424$V41.22997@attbi_s52... Did Delta also end an era of luxurious "management pay" by 32.5 percent? I tend to think not..... Perhaps I'm too conservative but I'll never understand that line of thinking. Pilot's saleries are dictated by unions. There are 100 pilots wanting to work for every airline pilot employeed. Saleries would normally be quite low with so many wanting those jobs, but the union makes them high. Executives have high saleries because they do a job few can do. Not many people on this planet can be good CEOs. CEOs are highly paid for the same reason NBA Basketball stars are, not many people can do those jobs. CEOs can be let go if the board thinks their saleries are too high, pilots cannot. If another CEO offers to work for Delta for less, the board can fire the current CEO and hire the less expensive guy at any time. The board cannot just hire their friends because they can get fired. The institutional investors and fund managers make their money 100% on the company's bottom line. They will not stand for spending their money on a CEO being paid more than he's worth on the market. The board are elected by these fund managers and institutional invesytors. If the company spends more money than they need to, the stock will do less well, the fund managers will lower their efficiency rating, and investors (mostly retirement accounts) will choose other funds to invest in. Everyone has someone to answer to. A good CEO can make or break a company, its worth paying full market rate for a good CEO. Free market economics works amazingly well if we just let it be free. -Robert, FAA Certified Flight Instructor, Commercial Pilot and MBA |
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Baloney. This is just CEO propanganda. Easily, 50% or more, of middle
managers could do the CEO job. There is nothing difficult or special about it. Simply because management is a pyramid with one job at the top does not mean that the top job is so special that only a few are capable of doing it. In the computer industry most engineers could be adequate CEOs, but few CEOs can be even mediocre engineers. Then we should see saleries drop pretty fast. It sounds like you feel you are qualified to do the job. Let the board of directors know that you are willing to work for a fraction of what the current CEO is working for. If you are as qualfied as you think you are you should have no problem getting the job. -Robert |
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"Dave S" wrote in message link.net... kontiki wrote: Chris wrote: It is amazing these airlines have soaked up billions of Dollars in Federal subsidies and still cannot get by. Exactly. When you sell your product for less than it costs to provide, what would you expect? Dave Either cut costs, raise the price or get out of the business. |
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"Nik" wrote: You might well ask whether or not it is really reasonable for the airlines to pay for the politicians attempts to make us feel good. Well said. Unfortunately, most people insist on feeling good without regard for the rationality of policies intended to soothe their anxieties. Every time I have to go through the airport security charade, I get a mental image of bin Laden laughing. -- Dan "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush |
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