best US jet vs Russian jets?

On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 11:59:02 GMT, "Stinky Pete"
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ville terminale wrote:

i know US jet is much better. how many of best russian jets could one
US jet take on at once? i'll bet the best US jet can shoot down at
least 5 of russia's best jets before going down.

The quality of the pilot is much more important than the quality
of the fighter. The nature of the engagement is also more important
than the quality of the fighter. It may well make sense to say that
one fighter is better than another, but quantifying it with
expected loss ratios is pointless.



okay, what if we have two identical pilots with same skills. clones in
fact. which would win?

I don't know.
Why don't you try the experiment and tell us the result


His cloning machine isn't working since he ran out of viagra.


hmm... What about the raelians? won't they clone him?

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ville terminale wrote:
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In article ,
ville terminale wrote:
i know US jet is much better. how many of best russian jets could one
US jet take on at once? i'll bet the best US jet can shoot down at
least 5 of russia's best jets before going down.

The quality of the pilot is much more important than the quality
of the fighter. The nature of the engagement is also more important
than the quality of the fighter. It may well make sense to say that
one fighter is better than another, but quantifying it with
expected loss ratios is pointless.

okay, what if we have two identical pilots with same skills. clones in
fact. which would win?

Assuming a neutral start to the engagement, odds are that both fly
home to base.

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David H. Thornley | If you want my opinion, ask.
| If you don't, flee.
http://www.thornley.net/~thornley/david/ | O-

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i know US jet is much better. how many of best russian jets could one
US jet take on at once? i'll bet the best US jet can shoot down at
least 5 of russia's best jets before going down.

It might depend on the pilot......I remember Chuck Yeager and another Air
Force officer debated wether the F86 or Mig15 was a better plane. The
settled it by taking turns in each plane and dogfighting each
other......Yeager waxed him good both times.......

Now in fairness technology is quite a bit different now....but I bet a Mig29
would be a good match for it's counterpart in the West.

In message , Mark T. Evert
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Now in fairness technology is quite a bit different now....but I bet a Mig29
would be a good match for it's counterpart in the West.

The Germans didn't think so: excellent close-in agility and a good
combination of IR missile and helmet-mounted sight, but really poor
combat persistence and serviceability, and poor performance outside the
close-in turning fight (bad human factors in the cockpit, poor radar,
poor countermeasures)

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"Mark T. Evert" wrote in message ...
"ville terminale" wrote in message
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i know US jet is much better. how many of best russian jets could one
US jet take on at once? i'll bet the best US jet can shoot down at
least 5 of russia's best jets before going down.

It might depend on the pilot......I remember Chuck Yeager and another Air
Force officer debated wether the F86 or Mig15 was a better plane. The
settled it by taking turns in each plane and dogfighting each
other......Yeager waxed him good both times.......

Now in fairness technology is quite a bit different now....but I bet a Mig29
would be a good match for it's counterpart in the West.


okay, what if there were two yeagers and one piloted the mig while other the f86?

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"ville terminale" wrote in message
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i know US jet is much better. how many of best russian jets could one
US jet take on at once? i'll bet the best US jet can shoot down at
least 5 of russia's best jets before going down.

It might depend on the pilot......I remember Chuck Yeager and another
Air
Force officer debated wether the F86 or Mig15 was a better plane. The
settled it by taking turns in each plane and dogfighting each
other......Yeager waxed him good both times.......

Now in fairness technology is quite a bit different now....but I bet a
Mig29
would be a good match for it's counterpart in the West.


okay, what if there were two yeagers and one piloted the mig while other
the f86?

Yeah, but the very point is there isn't another Yeager. Only one of those
around :+) Each pilot is different. Now, maybe if Chuck Yeager and Erich
Hartmann decided to have a friendly exercise, or Chuck Yeager and Adolf
Galland.....

David E. Powell wrote:
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i know US jet is much better. how many of best russian jets could one
US jet take on at once? i'll bet the best US jet can shoot down at
least 5 of russia's best jets before going down.

It might depend on the pilot.....I remember Chuck Yeager and another
Air Force officer debated wether the F86 or Mig15 was a better plane.
They settled it by taking turns in each plane and dogfighting each
other......Yeager waxed him good both times.......

Now in fairness technology is quite a bit different now....but
I bet a Mig29 would be a good match for it's counterpart
in the West.

okay, what if there were two yeagers and one piloted the mig
while other the f86?

Yeah, but the very point is there isn't another Yeager. Only one of those
around :+) Each pilot is different. Now, maybe if Chuck Yeager and Erich
Hartmann decided to have a friendly exercise, or Chuck Yeager and Adolf
Galland.....

Sort of like a grandmasters chess tournament with the planes playing the
role of the chess colours
Say a series of 7 games. 3 games each using each plane, and the seventh
game plane assignment decided with a coin toss.
Sponsored by one of the big breweries and carried live on a sports
network. 8-)

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i know US jet is much better. how many of best russian jets could one
US jet take on at once? i'll bet the best US jet can shoot down at
least 5 of russia's best jets before going down.

Perhaps. Check out what happened at Cope India '04. F-15C vs Su-30
Vanilla (as well as Mirage 2000, MiG-29, MiG-21). Predictably the
Yanks were murdered in WVR while they dominated BVR engagements.
Weather this is significant will emerge only as the ROE and other
details of the games become available.

The carefully leaked USAF:IAF loss rate of 4:1 was a win-win for both
the parties involved, for very different reasons.

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(ville terminale) wrote in message
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i know US jet is much better. how many of best russian jets could one
US jet take on at once? i'll bet the best US jet can shoot down at
least 5 of russia's best jets before going down.

Perhaps. Check out what happened at Cope India '04. F-15C vs Su-30
Vanilla (as well as Mirage 2000, MiG-29, MiG-21). Predictably the
Yanks were murdered in WVR while they dominated BVR engagements.
Weather this is significant will emerge only as the ROE and other
details of the games become available.

The carefully leaked USAF:IAF loss rate of 4:1 was a win-win for both
the parties involved, for very different reasons.

Why should we believe anyone who doesn't know the difference between whether
and weather?

"Stinky Pete" wrote in message .net...
"Tuollaf43" wrote in message
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(ville terminale) wrote in message
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i know US jet is much better. how many of best russian jets could one
US jet take on at once? i'll bet the best US jet can shoot down at
least 5 of russia's best jets before going down.

Perhaps. Check out what happened at Cope India '04. F-15C vs Su-30
Vanilla (as well as Mirage 2000, MiG-29, MiG-21). Predictably the
Yanks were murdered in WVR while they dominated BVR engagements.
Weather this is significant will emerge only as the ROE and other
details of the games become available.

The carefully leaked USAF:IAF loss rate of 4:1 was a win-win for both
the parties involved, for very different reasons.

Why should we believe anyone who doesn't know the difference between whether
and weather?

No one aksed you to believe anything dear. You were asked to 'check
out what happened at Cope India 04'.

If you were capable of doing a simple internet search and finding and
verifying facts for yourself then you would not be in a position of
having to take on trust what some random chap on the usenet says. The
question of 'belief' would not arise at all if you had the requiste
skill.