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Inexpensive wiring conduit idea
Howdy,
I've been thinking about how to run wires in an aluminum wing that is already finished. I can fish something through the holes in the ribs, but I don't want to just let a wire or cable lay on the raw edges of the rib holes. I think that the CPVC hot water tubing from Home Depot might make an excellent conduit. It is light weight, flexible enough to fish through the structure, and so tough it is hard to cut with a knife. After fishing it through the wing, and tying it down on the two ends, it would be really easy to pull wires through at any time later. I don't know what the fire rating of the stuff is. But I do know that CPVC has a much higher working temperature than regular pvc. It is used for electrical conduit in building construction. What do you think? thanks, tom pettit |
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tom pettit wrote...
.... I think that the CPVC hot water tubing from Home Depot might make an excellent conduit. .... What do you think? That's what I did. Fishing it through a completed wing sounds like it might be unsupported if you're passing it through lightening holes or something large like that. Might flop around and wear against the ribs. I installed mine during construction through press-fit holes (where it will also wear with vibration, I suppose). I sort of assume that since it's for residential use it doesn't give off nasty stuff if it burns, but since it's outside the cockpit and in a place where, if it's burning, I've got a lot more to worry about than fumes, I'm not concerned if it does give of bad fumes. Dave 'spaghetti' Hyde RV-4 in flight test, EAA tech counselor |
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wrote in message ... Howdy, I've been thinking about how to run wires in an aluminum wing that is already finished. I can fish something through the holes in the ribs, but I don't want to just let a wire or cable lay on the raw edges of the rib holes. I think that the CPVC hot water tubing from Home Depot might make an excellent conduit. It is light weight, flexible enough to fish through the structure, and so tough it is hard to cut with a knife. After fishing it through the wing, and tying it down on the two ends, it would be really easy to pull wires through at any time later. I don't know what the fire rating of the stuff is. But I do know that CPVC has a much higher working temperature than regular pvc. It is used for electrical conduit in building construction. What do you think? thanks, tom pettit The house electrical conduit is PVC. Also, just because it is in a house, does NOT mean that it doesn't give off nasty fumes. You are free to leave a house when it burns, but not so for an airplane. Try this, instead. Take a piece of pipe, long enough for the run you are going to do, and make it about 3/16" smaller in diameter than the holes in the ribs. (or smaller) Use brown paper (you can get it at wallyworld type places, in the shipping supplies area) and cut a long strip, just wide enough to go around the pipe one time. Tape it together, with small pieces of scotch tape, but not to the pipe. Cut long strips of paper, a couple of inches wide, and wet them out in a wood glue and water mixture. Wrap the pipe and paper, like a toilet paper tube, with just a little overlap. Let it dry, and slide it off the pipe, and install it. It will burn, but not for long, since there is not much fuel in it. Added bonus of not as much weight as the cpvc. Let us know how it works. I did it all the time in giant scale RC planes. -- Jim in NC |
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I've been thinking about how to run wires in an aluminum wing that is already finished. --------------------------------------- Dear Tom, This will sound a little hokey but it worked surprisingly well. The 'wire' was in fact a piece of mini-coax with two stranded leads bundled within an outer braided metal sheath. The wire was fixed to the area of the new antenna/inspecition plate then secured to the ribs & bulkheads through which it passed with blobs of an RTV compound applied via an piece of tubing 8' long. The work went pretty quick, the fun part being the chorus-line of inspectors, each for a particular aspect of the job, who bobbed & weaved their way around each other to peek through their mirrors & telescopes as first the wire was fished then the RTV elastomere was applied. (O&R facility, NAS North Island, about 1973) -R.S.Hoover PS - Working inside a closed structure, be it wing, spar or whatever, is usually called 'mouse work.' In fact, the buck for riviting under those conditions is still called a mouse. The term supposedly stems from using a pet mouse or rat to carry a thread the length of a DC-2 outer wing panel. Douglas plant, early 1930's. The mouse story was still being told when my dad went to work at El Segundo in 1937 but by then they had a whole array of blow-guns to shoot a pilot line through a closed structure. |
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Ron Wanttaja wrote:
On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 17:53:07 GMT, wrote: Howdy, I've been thinking about how to run wires in an aluminum wing that is already finished. I can fish something through the holes in the ribs, but I don't want to just let a wire or cable lay on the raw edges of the rib holes. One idea I read years ago was to use thin mylar sheet. Roll it tightly into a tube, slip it through the holes, then turn it loose. It'll uncoil until it makes contact with the edges of the holes, then run your wires through it. Ron Wanttaja I like it; can you get it in long enough sheets (at an affordable price) to reach at least from tip to inspection plate and inspection plate to root? My plan so far has been to try the same technique using thin AL flashing material from Home Depot a/c supply, but this sounds just as light without the risk of cutting the wire on the AL. Charlie |
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On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:05:01 -0500, Charlie England
wrote: One idea I read years ago was to use thin mylar sheet. Roll it tightly into a tube, slip it through the holes, then turn it loose. It'll uncoil until it makes contact with the edges of the holes, then run your wires through it. Ron Wanttaja I like it; can you get it in long enough sheets (at an affordable price) to reach at least from tip to inspection plate and inspection plate to root? My plan so far has been to try the same technique using thin AL flashing material from Home Depot a/c supply, but this sounds just as light without the risk of cutting the wire on the AL. We used to buy it in rolls for drafting from any blueprint supply place, from 0.002" to 0.007" thick. This was, however, 30 years ago before CAD. A quick Google search shows it to still be avaialble. 3M and Mitsbishi Polyester Film both make TONS (no exageration g) of this stuff without the matte finish, but I don't know who their custoemrs are. (PS; Mylar is duPont's trademark for polyester film) |
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"Charlie England" wrote in message . .. Ron Wanttaja wrote: On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 17:53:07 GMT, wrote: Howdy, I've been thinking about how to run wires in an aluminum wing that is already finished. I can fish something through the holes in the ribs, but I don't want to just let a wire or cable lay on the raw edges of the rib holes. One idea I read years ago was to use thin mylar sheet. Roll it tightly into a tube, slip it through the holes, then turn it loose. It'll uncoil until it makes contact with the edges of the holes, then run your wires through it. Ron Wanttaja I like it; can you get it in long enough sheets (at an affordable price) to reach at least from tip to inspection plate and inspection plate to root? My plan so far has been to try the same technique using thin AL flashing material from Home Depot a/c supply, but this sounds just as light without the risk of cutting the wire on the AL. Charlie McMaster-Carr has polyester (generic for Mylar) film in rolls up to 25 feet. You might also consider Tyvek -- which is a non-woven (paper-like) sheet made of polyester. It's used as vapor barrier in housing, but I don't know if it would be stiff enough. Tim Ward |
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"Tim Ward" wrote You might also consider Tyvek -- which is a non-woven (paper-like) sheet made of polyester. It's used as vapor barrier in housing, but I don't know if it would be stiff enough. Tim Ward No, not stiff enough. Jim (the house building contractor) in NC |
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