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help meeee !!!
hello ,
I want some information about bombs , aircrafts , gbu 10 , 12 and ... can anybody help me by sending emails or introducing useful sites I have searched sites already , but I want something interesting and strange about gbu 10 and aircraft , I need information , please help mee my email adress : please mail me |
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Is GBU-10 as such even in use in the US military any more?
Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but my feeling is that the Paveway I systems are not in service; at least I haven't seen any being loaded on US or NATO aircraft in the last four years. Paveway IIs and Paveway IIIs, on the contrary, are very much still in service. But, the GBU-10s were used - between others, also on Iranian F-4Ds, in conjunction with the AVQ-9 Zot Box, and especially during the first weeks of the war against Iraq, in September/October 1980.... Tom Cooper Co-Author: Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988: http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php and, Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat: http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585 |
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Tom Cooper writes:
But, the GBU-10s were used - between others, also on Iranian F-4Ds, in conjunction with the AVQ-9 Zot Box, and especially during the first weeks of the war against Iraq, in September/October 1980... We sold the Shah lots of F-4Ds, and lots of IR avionics to go with it. I sure as hell wouldn't want them to know *anything* about current weapon systems, not that a 25 year old F-4D which hasn't been maintained properly is a threat. Dave http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html |
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Yes - I can help. The preferred method for testing aircraft bombs is
to get yourself a really big hammer - 8 lb. ball-pean type hammer should work. Walk up to the bomb and strike it just as firmly as you can on the pointy end - thats the opposite end from the fins. Do this repeatedly until you here Allah telling you the bomb is OK to use. Then go to the next bomb and repeat. If we can be of any further help, please don't hesitiate to ask. Regards, On 6 Nov 2003 00:57:31 -0800, (Hamid) wrote: hello , I want some information about bombs , aircrafts , gbu 10 , 12 and ... can anybody help me by sending emails or introducing useful sites I have searched sites already , but I want something interesting and strange about gbu 10 and aircraft , I need information , please help mee my email adress : please mail me |
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Charlie Wolf writes:
Yes - I can help. The preferred method for testing aircraft bombs is to get yourself a really big hammer - 8 lb. ball-pean type hammer should work. Walk up to the bomb and strike it just as firmly as you can on the pointy end - thats the opposite end from the fins. Do this repeatedly until you here Allah telling you the bomb is OK to use. Then go to the next bomb and repeat. If we can be of any further help, please don't hesitiate to ask. Regards, On 6 Nov 2003 00:57:31 -0800, (Hamid) wrote: hello , I want some information about bombs , aircrafts , gbu 10 , 12 and ... can anybody help me by sending emails or introducing useful sites I have searched sites already , but I want something interesting and strange about gbu 10 and aircraft , I need information , please help mee my email adress : please mail me Only one thing wrong, Charlie. Old Hamid lives in the Stone Age thanks to the Eye-ah-tollahs. They don't have hammers. Would a large rock do the job? Dave http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html |
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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message ... Tom Cooper writes: But, the GBU-10s were used - between others, also on Iranian F-4Ds, in conjunction with the AVQ-9 Zot Box, and especially during the first weeks of the war against Iraq, in September/October 1980... We sold the Shah lots of F-4Ds, and lots of IR avionics to go with it. I sure as hell wouldn't want them to know *anything* about current weapon systems, not that a 25 year old F-4D which hasn't been maintained properly is a threat. Dave http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html Dave, don't know if you want to know, but they bought only 32 F-4Ds (and 177 F-4Es) - and these were supplied without any IRST-systems (their Phantoms had no housings under the chin). Their F-4Ds were delivered between 1968 and 1970 so are now actually between 34 and 35 years old. Some 15 have survived the war with Iraq, and remain very much in service. In fact, instead of GBU-10s they are now armed with indigenious Iranian Sattar-1/2/3 laser-guided missiles (a mix of (US) GBU-10 and (French) AS.30L technology), the Noor (an Iranian version of the 160km-range C.802K-2 anti-ship missile, directly comparable in capabilities to the Harpoon), and R-73/AA-11 Archer air-to-air missiles (the last in addition to the usual Sparrows)... Tom Cooper Co-Author: Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988: http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php and, Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat: http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585 |
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Tom Cooper writes:
Dave, don't know if you want to know, but they bought only 32 F-4Ds (and 177 F-4Es) - and these were supplied without any IRST-systems (their Phantoms had no housings under the chin). Hi Tom. Scary. I retired from the Navy in 1976 and went to work as an engineer at a large well known company on RT 128 outside of Boston. I specifically worked on the AN/AAD-5 system, and our customer was the Shah of Iran for use with the F-4s bought from us. I imagine they are now obsolete. Their F-4Ds were delivered between 1968 and 1970 so are now actually between 34 and 35 years old. Some 15 have survived the war with Iraq, and remain very much in service. In fact, instead of GBU-10s they are now armed with indigenious Iranian Sattar-1/2/3 laser-guided missiles (a mix of (US) GBU-10 and (French) AS.30L technology), the Noor (an Iranian version of the 160km-range C.802K-2 anti-ship missile, directly comparable in capabilities to the Harpoon), and R-73/AA-11 Archer air-to-air missiles (the last in addition to the usual Sparrows)... Tom Cooper Co-Author: Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988: Very scary, but if there is only 15, I suspect they would be called "turkey meat" if they challenged F-14s, 15s, 16s or 18s. You seem well informed -- so, what *do* they have that would be a challenge to us.? Dave http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html |
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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message ... Hi Tom. Scary. I retired from the Navy in 1976 and went to work as an engineer at a large well known company on RT 128 outside of Boston. I specifically worked on the AN/AAD-5 system, and our customer was the Shah of Iran for use with the F-4s bought from us. I imagine they are now obsolete. Sounds interesting. Sorry for my ignorance: what exactly is the AAD-5? An IRST? Namely, I've always been told that the IIAF was never very much interested in IRST-systems, and that this was the reason they haven't purchased any for their F-14s either. What I've heard is that in 1978, in the Project Peace Enforcer, some of their F-4Ds were modified to get the IRST housing, but that this contained the ALR-17 basic countermeasure warning receiver, and the APG-26 SAM-launch detection system. I don't know who run this upgrade (i.e. USAF, USN, McD or somebody else), but four Iranian F-4Ds should've been modified that way before the revolution (in February 1979), and they've also got additonal kits to upgrade six other Phantoms, plus a three-year spare support packages for them. I know they used such Ds to lead their strike-packages deep into Iraq with immense success. Very scary, but if there is only 15, I suspect they would be called "turkey meat" if they challenged F-14s, 15s, 16s or 18s. Surely, in air-to-air they are dead meat, but I consider them still potent platforms in the anti-ship role - at least for local circumstances. Namely, one must bear in mind that the IRIAF is still flying also more than 50 F-4Es, which are modified with similar weapons like the F-4Ds, so there is a large number of platforms each of which can carry two C.802s. The testing of the C.802 in Iran was very rigorous, and proved that the weapon has a capability comparable to the AGM-84 Harpoon. Of course, in the case of any kind of serious action their eventual capability would heavily depend on the capability of the IRIAF to supply them with any kind of proper targeting info in the first place.... You seem well informed -- so, what *do* they have that would be a challenge to us.? Their most potent fighters remain F-14s - that are not only still very much operational but meanwhile also armed with some kind of a reverse-engineered AIM-54s (I guess we'll get some uproar from specific people on this NG regarding this, but I can't help), and the R-73/AA-11s too. Of course, one can argue a lot about the capabilities of current IRIAF pilots when compared to their potential USAF/USN opponents, or about the whole air combat system of the US military, but the fact is that the AIM-54 remains longer-ranged in comparission to the AIM-120, so - at least in theory - there is always an unknown factor there... Tom Cooper Co-Author: Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988: http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php and, Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat: http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585 |
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On 11/6/03 10:58 AM, in article ,
"Tom Cooper" wrote: Is GBU-10 as such even in use in the US military any more? Absolutely is... Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but my feeling is that the Paveway I systems are not in service; at least I haven't seen any being loaded on US or NATO aircraft in the last four years. Paveway IIs and Paveway IIIs, on the contrary, are very much still in service. Currently Paveway II is stan. Paveway III is GBU-24. But, the GBU-10s were used - between others, also on Iranian F-4Ds, in conjunction with the AVQ-9 Zot Box, and especially during the first weeks of the war against Iraq, in September/October 1980.... Tom Cooper Co-Author: Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988: http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php and, Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat: http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585 |
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