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Rolling a Non Aerobat 150
On 26 Mar, 19:03, pittss1c wrote:
C J Campbell wrote: On 2007-03-23 08:33:20 -0700, "karl gruber" said: I have an acquaintance that kicked his way out the windshield of a Citabria, after the wings folded up against the fuselage. Karl "Curator" N185KG Amazing what you can do with the proper motivation. I think the important statistic would be to look at the fatal accidents where the pilot was wearing a parachute, and see how many are unstrapped and trying to get out when they hit the ground. In the searches I have done, I don't remember ever seeing this (although I was focusing on Pitts accidents. I know of one, at least. Wing folded over the canopy. We think he tried to roll it to get the wing untangled, but who knows? First friend I lost to aerobatics. I also met a guy who only managed to get out of his Decathlon at the last possible second when his elevators got stuck full down.. He had got tangled in the structure for a loooong time before he was sudenly ejectedat a few hundred feet just before the thing hit the ground. The chute opend and he only broke his legs. Was out competing in just a few months though! |
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Rolling a Non Aerobat 150
"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea Hawk at wow way d0t com wrote:
Some where the occupants got out but not in time - there was no indicaton if they took too long to start to get out or had too much trouble getting out (These were Pitts in spins iirc) . In one, the student made it out, but the instructor was still belted in (Citabria) When I was in college I read a number of articles where pilots who bailed out said they did hesitate a bit because jumping was so new to them...they had never done it. I knew that someday I'd be doing aerobatics so I went to a jump school and took skydiving lessons. Back then (1976) you started out with static line jumps. I did a few of those and worked up to 15 second free falls. I was totally comfy with jumping and that was enough for me. Now that I'm actually taking aerobatic lessons, I'm glad I did it. If I had to get out, and could get out, I don't believe I'd think twice. |
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Rolling a Non Aerobat 150
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Gregg Germain wrote: I knew that someday I'd be doing aerobatics so I went to a jump school and took skydiving lessons. Back then (1976) you started out with static line jumps. I did a few of those and worked up to 15 second free falls. I was totally comfy with jumping and that was enough for me. Interesting. I did the same thing for the same reason (1973). I skydived for six years before I started flying. 205 jumps and a Jumpmaster/C-license. |
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Rolling a Non Aerobat 150
"C J Campbell" wrote in message news:2007032308245816807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom... On 2007-02-28 19:41:14 -0800, john smith said: In article . net, "Todd W. Deckard" wrote: Why would you say this? The door would be fairly easy to open in a spin. In a high speed loss of control it might be very difficult to overcome aerodynamic resistance but it is possible to open a forward hinged door and force it open enough to squeeze out at even 100kts in straight flight. With a modern canopy you stand a chance of a survivable deployment at even a few hundred feet. I wouldn't be too positive about those statements. I have over 300 freefalls and 25 hours of acro in a Citabria. The Citabria only has one door... on the right side. In a right spin, the rate of descent is still going to be about 800 fpm with an indicated airspeed of 45-50 mph. That's quite and airload on the inside turn side of the airframe. Add to that centrifugal forces and getting through the doorway after jettisoning the door will be a challenging proposition. You have two sets of seatbelts to release, a headset to remove and a body with a parachute attached to fit through the doorway. When you exit you will be on the inside side of the airplane, which you have to clear before you pull the D-ring. Tic-toc, the clock is winding down as fast as the altimeter. I have knowledge of only one acro pilot who successfully exited a Decathlon. There was a guy down in Borrego Springs who managed to bail out when his Citabria would not recover. Checking the wreckage later he found the seatbelt from the rear seat had wrapped itself around the stick. He could have sworn he had secured that thing. -- Waddling Eagle World Famous Flight Instructor ISTR a report by an owner of a (new?) Citabria/Decathlon who successfully bailed out of his aircraft after the rear seat back fell forward and jammed behind the stick and limited back movement. My Citabria instructor was quite clear that checking the small tie back cable on the seat back was a required part of every pre-flight. IIRC there was a photo of him holding his loose unpacked parachute and standing in front of a pile of what was once his aircraft. IIRC the report was in the form of a thank you to the manufacturer (Strong?) of the parachute and was on his website. Happy landings, |
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Rolling a Non Aerobat 150
The photo is seen often in the IAC magazine- it was a Paraphernalia chute. I
have had four of these in various iterations, and the master rigger that repacks them for me says they have the best design, in his opinion. Dan Tarasevich, of Paraphernalia, is at Oshkosh, and is a great guy, and supports his product. Bailing out can be a challenge under any circumstances, even when everything goes right. However, getting a door open in a 152 and out of the plane, without snagging on something could be a real challenge. If the plane is within weight and balance limits, any spin should be recoverable (upright or inverted), with the proper inputs and enough altitude. |
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