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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message ... Well, I believe Boeing and LocMart have already developed (and deployed) modern ATC systems (probably superior to the existing FAA stuff), so modernization could be much more rapid than if the FAA developed and implemented something similar. What have they developed and deployed? I know Lockheed Martin built Common ARTS under an FAA contract, and I'm aware that Boeing has proposed new systems but I'm unaware of anything they've got operating in the field. : You may be correct about the ultimate cost, but initially the contractor would have to propose something reasonably priced to win the bidding competition. Why would privatization require any new equipment? |
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On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:36:24 -0400, Bob Noel
wrote in : In article , Larry Dighera wrote: Well, I believe Boeing and LocMart have already developed (and deployed) modern ATC systems (probably superior to the existing FAA stuff), so modernization could be much more rapid than if the FAA developed and implemented something similar. What does Boeing or LocMart have that is better or more modern than STARS (which is being deployed now)? Bob, I don't have a specific answer to your question, as I don't claim to be familiar with STARS nor Boeing/LocMart ATC systems. But, with the information available he http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...5507ef e7687a http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...c064f4 593ed8 http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...c48943 be68c0 http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...a4edd7 c06ebd You may find the answer. Is STARS space-based? |
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Jose wrote:
However, we're talking about shorts, not bathrobe. Do you find that, WHEN you get dressed, that your performance improves with a higher standard of dress (once you are above the standard required to go to the store)? Do you work better in a tie? I work more professionally. Personally, I find that when I'm working with others that care about their appearance I find that we are more productive. Professional is professional. Whether its in writing, dress, mannerisms, or the voice on the radio. And we aren't talking about a requirement for suit and tie. We're talking about a dress code that (sometimes referred to as "business casual") that probably 90% of the white-collar workforce uses. The controllers want to be able to conform to the "beach bum" standard. (Or at least their union does) Agreed. With rules like this, do you think the controllers feel like they're on the same team as the FAA (who is making the rules)? I don't care if they think they are on the same team as the FAA. I care if they think they are on the same team as their co-controllers. FAA sets the standards as management. They should deal with it. Yes, key word "operating". I maintain that shorts do not affect how one controls traffic. The FAA (who's setting the standards) disagrees. As do I. No. I'm saying dress is probably not high on the list. And I'm saying that even things down on the list can help improve things that are higher on the list. Like say forcing people who can't conform to a simple dress code (anti-authority) to leave the organzation or change their ways and be more team like. You see the poor controllers that can't wear shorts. I see anti-authority behavior. Something I seem to remember reading about in the AIM. |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
I believe most facilities still work on a seven week rotation. Two evening shifts, followed by two day shifts, followed by two days off, then repeat. That's six days so your two days off advance by one day each week. It's juggled a bit when the two days off are on a weekend so that there's two natural weekends off in a row. That's the schedule for a facility that closes at night. At 24 hour facilities you'll get a day-mid. Come in at about six AM and then back that same day about 10 PM. Thanks. Interesting scheduling. Whats the length of a shift and break time? Is it standardized across all facilities? If they are drowsy on shift, maybe they shouldn't be on shift. Agreed. What solution would you recommend? Allow naps while on break? Send drowsy employees home on leave? Fire them? I would suggest they get sleep before coming into work. Utilizing the sick policy if they don't. Allowing naps, means that a controller might be more willing to party hearty the night before, since they know they can just take a nap during their breaks. If that option isn't available to them, maybe they'll be more accommodating to their required sleep schedule. |
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Jose wrote: In the article that I read, the FAA said that the napping had a detrimental affect on performance. It meant the controllers were groggy when returning to the scope. So maybe the FAA has their own study. If they do, I'm unaware of it. However, length of nap was important, as well as when (and how) they were woken up. Being woken up in some phases of sleep is better than others. So perhaps in a on-demand facility (where a terrorist incident might require ATC to perform a lot of functions at a moments notice) is the wrong place to be taking a nap where you might not be at peak proficiency if your in the wrong phase of sleep. Brian |
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Jose wrote: I think the beautification projects had no impact on the traffic problems plaguing the city. They had no impact on bridge maintanance. They had no impact on water quality. They had no impact on corruption. They made the city prettier, in some places, by some people's opinions. Maybe this increased tourism, or encouraged businesses to stay rather than leave. It might have had an effect on rents. Hmm. Might it have increased taxe revenue too? Thereby allowing more bridge maintenance? How about those bridge maintenance crews didn't have to spend as much time working around graffitti? Perhaps they took more pride in their work? Gave that extra 10%? Made them feel more professional? That their work wasn't just trashed to no avail by the next street gang? But now we're heading off-topic.... |
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"bdl" wrote in message oups.com... I work more professionally. Personally, I find that when I'm working with others that care about their appearance I find that we are more productive. Professional is professional. Whether its in writing, dress, mannerisms, or the voice on the radio. What work do you do on the radio? |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote: What work do you do on the radio? I don't. I was alluding to controllers. |
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"bdl" wrote in message oups.com... Thanks. Interesting scheduling. Whats the length of a shift and break time? Is it standardized across all facilities? Eight hour shifts, mimumum of eight hours off between shifts. Those are national standards. I would suggest they get sleep before coming into work. What if they do and they're drowsy anyway? Utilizing the sick policy if they don't. That's not permitted. Allowing naps, means that a controller might be more willing to party hearty the night before, since they know they can just take a nap during their breaks. If that option isn't available to them, maybe they'll be more accommodating to their required sleep schedule. Maybe. But what is the problem with napping while on a break anyway? |
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"bdl" wrote in message oups.com... So perhaps in a on-demand facility (where a terrorist incident might require ATC to perform a lot of functions at a moments notice) is the wrong place to be taking a nap where you might not be at peak proficiency if your in the wrong phase of sleep. You're describing controllers working a position. We're not talking about them. We're talking about controllers napping while on a break so that they may be alert when they return to work a position. |
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