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Realistic Instrument Training using MSFS 2004
Ray Andraka wrote:
FWIW, the Elite simulator suffers the same issues with the yoke inputs not feeling realistic and being difficult to trim. .... I don't find it difficult to trim at all even with wind shear and wind gusts turned on. I do have two of the buttons on the top of the joystick set for trim. I click in either direction gets it fine tuned. Maybe it is your method of trimming? Normally in a real plane, you hold the pitch so you have 0 on the VSI and then trim for zero force. In MSFS, I do the same for more gross trimming and then end up flying by trim for the fine tuning. This is obviously wrong technique for a real plane but as long as I know the difference I don't find it necessarily bad. BTW, I found trimming correctly to be one of the most important techniques learned in IFR (and VFR) flying with regards to being able to fly the plane completely hands-free which lets you do all the "paperwork" (charts, plates, setting avionics, etc.) much more easily. Use MSFS for procedures and also to fine tune your scan and your 'gain' (sensitivity) for doing approaches to perfection. I regularly fly CAT II approaches partial panel and without the aid of a G430 (DTK vs. TRK). Did this recently after a few beers. ;-) My friends thought it was easy to do since the needles don't move at all. I wouldn't do this for real but if schitt hits the fan, I know I did some pseudo-training for this even if it doesn't count for currency. Next up is planning (rate of descents) and doing approaches with an engine failure. I'll do it on MSFS and then on my next (or sooner) BFR do it in the plane. Gerald |
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Realistic Instrument Training using MSFS 2004
G. Sylvester wrote:
Ray Andraka wrote: FWIW, the Elite simulator suffers the same issues with the yoke inputs not feeling realistic and being difficult to trim. .... I don't find it difficult to trim at all even with wind shear and wind gusts turned on. I do have two of the buttons on the top of the joystick set for trim. I click in either direction gets it fine tuned. Maybe it is your method of trimming? Normally in a real plane, you hold the pitch so you have 0 on the VSI and then trim for zero force. In MSFS, I do the same for more gross trimming and then end up flying by trim for the fine tuning. This is obviously wrong technique for a real plane but as long as I know the difference I don't find it necessarily bad. BTW, I found trimming correctly to be one of the most important techniques learned in IFR (and VFR) flying with regards to being able to fly the plane completely hands-free which lets you do all the "paperwork" (charts, plates, setting avionics, etc.) much more easily. Use MSFS for procedures and also to fine tune your scan and your 'gain' (sensitivity) for doing approaches to perfection. I regularly fly CAT II approaches partial panel and without the aid of a G430 (DTK vs. TRK). Did this recently after a few beers. ;-) My friends thought it was easy to do since the needles don't move at all. I wouldn't do this for real but if schitt hits the fan, I know I did some pseudo-training for this even if it doesn't count for currency. Next up is planning (rate of descents) and doing approaches with an engine failure. I'll do it on MSFS and then on my next (or sooner) BFR do it in the plane. Gerald To be fair, my Elite is a very old copy (ca 1994). IIRC, it runs on DOS, not under windows. I stopped upgrading when I got my instrument ticket because I found I wasn't really using it very often and the upgrades I did do didn't add much for the money. The yoke is an old CH products yoke that connects to an old PC game port (it is connected to the AzureSoft interface box for Elite). I found that it was very difficult to get it trimmed up using the trim buttons, partly because there was no force feedback in the yoke, partly because the yoke did not output the same pitch when the yoke got pushed in or pulled out and then returned to the same position. WIth that in mind, the only way to effectively trim it without spending an inordinate amount of time trimming was to engage the altitude hold, let it trim it up and then release the altitude hold. Basically, I found Elite (we're talking early version again here) to be superb for procedures training and developing your scan. The aircraft model seemed to be pretty good as well, and I understand that has been improved drastically. I didn't bother with rudder pedals, as I wasn't interested really in perfection as far as the control inputs. As far as the real plane goes, yeah, getting it trimmed properly is a key item for reducing workload. I fly a Cherokee Six with electric trim. It is very easy to trim for pitch, and once set it'll hold altitude all day. Good enough that I only went for a single axis AP. |
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