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Another warbird lost
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...06816384837258
This makes me nuts. An irreplaceable Corsair is lost in an air race - a Super Corsair at that, which I think was one of a handful of R-4360 powered F4Us. Glad the pilot got out, but another piece of history is gone, and for no good reason IMHO... |
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Another warbird lost
On Feb 18, 12:02?am, "Kingfish" wrote:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...06816384837258 This makes me nuts. An irreplaceable Corsair is lost in an air race - a Super Corsair at that, which I think was one of a handful of R-4360 powered F4Us. Glad the pilot got out, but another piece of history is gone, and for no good reason IMHO... Kingfish: This aircraft was not a stock F4U by any means. It was not even a factory built aircraft. It did not posses a serial number from the manufacturer or Navy. This airframe was built completely from spare parts and many custom made parts. Thus, as an airframe, it had no history. If this helps your regret.............. |
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Another warbird lost
On 17 Feb 2007 22:02:22 -0800, "Kingfish"
wrote: This makes me nuts. An irreplaceable Corsair is lost in an air race - a Super Corsair at that, which I think was one of a handful of R-4360 powered F4Us. Glad the pilot got out, but another piece of history is gone, and for no good reason IMHO... Given the going prices for warbirds, if the data plate survived, someone will "rebuild" the aircraft... A few years back, I stumbled across Chino airport in SoCal... They have quite a few warbird restoration shops over there... Spoke with one guy and he said that if someone gives them a data plate, they can rebuild the rest of the aircraft all around it from the blueprints that they had or could get... Here's a link to a view of the airport... You can see quite a few "spare parts" scattered around... http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=...&scene=6482833 |
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Another warbird lost
Grumman-581 wrote:
Given the going prices for warbirds, if the data plate survived, someone will "rebuild" the aircraft... A few years back, I stumbled across Chino airport in SoCal... They have quite a few warbird restoration shops over there... Spoke with one guy and he said that if someone gives them a data plate, they can rebuild the rest of the aircraft all around it from the blueprints that they had or could get... I saw an FAA safety seminar with a speaker from the local FSDO. He said more and more companies are dispatching reps to accident sites to confirm the S/N off of the data plate. The company determines if the plane is a complete loss in their eyes separate from insurance companies. The company certifies the plane when built and then certifies the plane is a complete loss and effectively ending the plane's (actually the S/N's) life. IIRC, Bell helicopter lists these S/N on their website. For these warbirds, I'm guessing most are probably in the Experimental category so probably the dataplate doesn't mean too much other than from the historical perspective but that is a pure guess. Gerald |
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Another warbird lost
On Feb 18, 1:32 am, "vlado" wrote:
Kingfish: This aircraft was not a stock F4U by any means. It was not even a factory built aircraft. It did not posses a serial number from the manufacturer or Navy. This airframe was built completely from spare parts and many custom made parts. Thus, as an airframe, it had no history. If this helps your regret.............. Interesting, vlado. Where'd that info come from? I'm curious. Did that plane have the R-4360 engine or the R-2800? Although, even without a NSN it's still a Corsair (right?) - albeit without any military combat history. Considering how many F4Us are airworthy these days, the loss of even a flying parts kit still bums me out. Gerald added: For these warbirds, I'm guessing most are probably in the Experimental category so probably the dataplate doesn't mean too much other than from the historical perspective but that is a pure guess. IIRC all warbirds are Experimentals because no civilian type certificate ever existed for them. |
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Another warbird lost
"Kingfish" wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 18, 1:32 am, "vlado" wrote: Kingfish: This aircraft was not a stock F4U by any means. It was not even a factory built aircraft. It did not posses a serial number from the manufacturer or Navy. This airframe was built completely from spare parts and many custom made parts. Thus, as an airframe, it had no history. If this helps your regret.............. Interesting, vlado. Where'd that info come from? I'm curious. Did that plane have the R-4360 engine or the R-2800? Although, even without a NSN it's still a Corsair (right?) - albeit without any military combat history. Considering how many F4Us are airworthy these days, the loss of even a flying parts kit still bums me out. Gerald added: For these warbirds, I'm guessing most are probably in the Experimental category so probably the dataplate doesn't mean too much other than from the historical perspective but that is a pure guess. IIRC all warbirds are Experimentals because no civilian type certificate ever existed for them. The aircraft was powered by an R-4360. This crash happened in 1994... I would guess that there are more flying Corsairs today than there were then, due to various restoration project coming to fruition. In today's high dollar warbird scene, it is economically feasable to restore (or remanufacture) projects that were not viable projects 10 or 20 years ago. KB |
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Another warbird lost
On Feb 18, 3:59�am, "G. Sylvester" wrote:
Grumman-581 wrote: Given the going prices for warbirds, if the data plate survived, someone will "rebuild" the aircraft... A few years back, I stumbled across Chino airport in SoCal... They have quite a few warbird restoration shops over there... Spoke with one guy and he said that if someone gives them a data plate, they can rebuild the rest of the aircraft all around it from the blueprints that they had or could get... I saw an FAA safety seminar with a speaker from the local FSDO. *He said more and more companies are dispatching reps to accident sites to confirm the S/N off of the data plate. *The company determines if the plane is a complete loss in their eyes separate from insurance companies. The company certifies the plane when built and then certifies the plane is a complete loss and effectively ending the plane's (actually the S/N's) life. *IIRC, Bell helicopter lists these S/N on their website. For these warbirds, I'm guessing most are probably in the Experimental category so probably the dataplate doesn't mean too much other than from the historical perspective but that is a pure guess. Gerald P-51D Mustangs are Limited Category (except those modified for racing). Kevin (the pilot) told me that the crash video Corsair was made from spare parts; early wings, late fuselage, engine/cowl from KC-97 or such, or some sort of combination. At Oshkosh, it would be poo-poo'd due to its '*******' heritage. But yes, it still was a Corsair -lost. VL |
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Another warbird lost
As I recall that aircraft was a Planes of Fame aircraft and was
originally an F4U-1, one of the earliest Corsairs built. It had been used by a movie studio as a wind generator or a prop. When they were stripping the paint they found some indications of combat service like kill or mission markings but didn't bother to research it further before clipping the wings and installing the R 4360 engine. Maybe the original data plate was missing, and maybe the mission/kill markings were bogus and maybe not all of the aircraft was intact when the rebuild began but it was a -1 Corsair airframe. The same type that Ira Kepford and Pappy Boyington flew. It seemed a waste to me a the time and still does. I don't buy the idea that every old airframe is historic and I support fully the right of anyone owning anything to do with that thing whatever they legally want. The Planes of Fame has done such great work that I can't really blame them for experimenting with one artifact of unknown provenance. I think that there ought to be clearly defined hierarchy for historical artifacts. Some things are historic because they were used in a specific event (Enola Gay, Spirit of St. Louis etc.), some are historic because they are among the last of their specific type (Douglas Dolphin or the Brewster 239 at Pensacola) and some are historic because they are among the last of their general kind, (Martin Mars, last piston engined true flying boats operational). In a perfect world people that owned historic artifacts would treat them with appropriate respect. On Feb 18, 1:32�am, "vlado" wrote: On Feb 18, 12:02?am, "Kingfish" wrote: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...06816384837258 This makes me nuts. An irreplaceable Corsair is lost in an air race - a Super Corsair at that, which I think was one of a handful of R-4360 powered F4Us. Glad the pilot got out, but another piece of history is gone, and for no good reason IMHO... Kingfish: This aircraft was not a stock F4U by any means. *It was not even a factory built aircraft. *It did not posses a serial number from the manufacturer or Navy. *This airframe was built completely from spare parts and many custom made parts. *Thus, as an airframe, it had no history. *If this helps your regret.............. |
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Another warbird lost
On Feb 18, 10:38 am, "Kyle Boatright" wrote:
The aircraft was powered by an R-4360. This crash happened in 1994... I would guess that there are more flying Corsairs today than there were then, due to various restoration project coming to fruition. In today's high dollar warbird scene, it is economically feasable to restore (or remanufacture) projects that were not viable projects 10 or 20 years ago. Aha. I saw the Dec. '04 date on the video and assumed it was recent. Interesting point about the viability of warbird restorations KB. I never thought of that. |
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Another warbird lost
" This makes me nuts. An irreplaceable Corsair is lost in an air race - Hey it's his airplane to do with what he wants. Cheers: Paul N1431A |
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