Private air strip..... yes or no???

any comments would be appreciated


If this is just a private strip for one guy to fly his own airplane in and out,
and not a public strip for all to use, then how much can he really disturb you?

Even if he flys every day, what harm would a couple of takeoffs a day do you?

Do you really want to make a lifetime enemy of your neighbor over that?

Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

Huh? You LOVE planes! He's not talking about building the next O'Hare in
your back yard. On the average if he flew once or twice a week would that
upset you? I'd say that's more of a realistic expectation. Maybe he'd even
give you a ride.

Talk to your local zoning board. Like everything else in this country,
landowners have certain rights, until some asshole complains.
--
Jim Burns III

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Has your neighbor told you he is going to build a runway (it was not
clear from your posting)?

At 1000 to 1500 feet from the threshhold, your home is in a prime
location for CFIT or departure accidents.

At the very least, common courtesty, your neighbor should agree to
angle the runway so it does not point directly at your house.

They should also agree to turn away from your house after liftoff.

Why not talk to your neighbor about your concerns? It's in his best
interests to keep his neighbors happy. And it sounds like its in your best
interest to stay friends with him...if you're taking flying lessons, having
a neighbor with an airstrip will be a benefit after you get your license.

"just an average Farlang..." wrote in
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Can anyone tell me what criteria, rules, regulations a person needs to
be
allowed to construct a private runway on his or her property. I know
there
are many factors that are not presently known in this scenario but I
can
try to input as much as I know.

My neighbor owns land that is 2600 feet wide. The elevation is about
3000
feet and the hottest temperature is 91 degrees in the summer. The land
is
located in Idaho. The prevailing winds position the optimal take off
direction to be directly over my house about 1500 feet from the
property
line. I LOVE airplanes! I worked for Boeing (Lazy B) for the last
fifteen
years. I worked at Cessna in Witchita before that. I stop to watch
planes
take off and land. I LOVE PLANES!!! But what I don't love is buying 500
acres to finally get some peace and quiet and then having some loud
plane
buzz my house at will. The person wanting to put in the runway has
money
to build a 3 floor nice house so I expect they will want to be
socialites
and invite all their friends to fly in for a barbacue on the weekend.

I talked to planning and zoning and they don't even know what
prospective
planes will be flown there i.e. ultralites or larger planes that
require
longer runways. I would like to think it is being fair for me to
expect no
planes flying over my land below 500 feet whether taking off, landing
or
pattern flying. I bought my land and paid for the use of each and every
acre. If by putting in a runway on the edge of my property that means
they
are helping themselves to a sort of "easement" flying a hundred feet
or so
over my land that doesn't seem at all fair. I may wish to build a barn,
corral animals (which might go crazy) penned up with planes buzzing
over
them.

Can I get some ideas on what is realistic?

I don't even know what a common length of runway is but a friend of
mine
told me using generic table calculations that a fully loaded small
plane
on a hot day could very well need a long take off and after lift
off ....
how long a distance til that plane gets to minimal required elevation?


Yesterday I took a flying lesson with a chief piot and he told me a
small plane can lift off after about a thousand feet of runway and
then the maximum climb would be about 500 feet per minute. He thought
for a plane to stay the necessaary elevation over my property the
pilot is required a total of no less than 4000 feet. The runway will
be a dirt strip which also requires more distance.

any comments would be appreciated

"Brad Z" wrote in message
news:RMqWb.5697$jk2.19710@attbi_s53...
Why not talk to your neighbor about your concerns? It's in his best
interests to keep his neighbors happy. And it sounds like its in your
best
interest to stay friends with him...if you're taking flying lessons,
having
a neighbor with an airstrip will be a benefit after you get your license.

My thoughts exactly. But what do I know, I'm just a "redneck".

-Trent
PP-ASEL

One of the most important things to do is immediately contact a lawyer (and
I hate lawyers).

I don't remember the exact legal terms, but here's a layman's explanation...

In some instances, if someone creates a nuisance, and you do not contest
that nuisance immediately, you will never be able to contest that nuisance.

So, while having a light plane fly over your house a couple of times a week
might not bother you, the guy could theoretically suddenly decide to start
running 20 747's a day out of his strip and you would not be able to do
anything about it.

But if you act immediately, you can draft an agreement that would let your
neighbor operate a certain number of flights per day/week/whatever during
certain hours, and that's it. In this way you would be allowing your
neighbor reasonable use of his property while protecting your own property
rights, and hopefully preserving your relationship with your neighbor.

But you want to act on this immediately, as the game changes once the first
airplane takes off or lands.

You might also want to check the FAR's, the FAA's website, and the DOT's
website; I believe you'll find some information there.

"just an average Farlang..." wrote in
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Can anyone tell me what criteria, rules, regulations a person needs to
be
allowed to construct a private runway on his or her property. I know
there
are many factors that are not presently known in this scenario but I
can
try to input as much as I know.

My neighbor owns land that is 2600 feet wide. The elevation is about
3000
feet and the hottest temperature is 91 degrees in the summer. The land
is
located in Idaho. The prevailing winds position the optimal take off
direction to be directly over my house about 1500 feet from the
property
line. I LOVE airplanes! I worked for Boeing (Lazy B) for the last
fifteen
years. I worked at Cessna in Witchita before that. I stop to watch
planes
take off and land. I LOVE PLANES!!! But what I don't love is buying 500
acres to finally get some peace and quiet and then having some loud
plane
buzz my house at will. The person wanting to put in the runway has
money
to build a 3 floor nice house so I expect they will want to be
socialites
and invite all their friends to fly in for a barbacue on the weekend.

I talked to planning and zoning and they don't even know what
prospective
planes will be flown there i.e. ultralites or larger planes that
require
longer runways. I would like to think it is being fair for me to
expect no
planes flying over my land below 500 feet whether taking off, landing
or
pattern flying. I bought my land and paid for the use of each and every
acre. If by putting in a runway on the edge of my property that means
they
are helping themselves to a sort of "easement" flying a hundred feet
or so
over my land that doesn't seem at all fair. I may wish to build a barn,
corral animals (which might go crazy) penned up with planes buzzing
over
them.

Can I get some ideas on what is realistic?

I don't even know what a common length of runway is but a friend of
mine
told me using generic table calculations that a fully loaded small
plane
on a hot day could very well need a long take off and after lift
off ....
how long a distance til that plane gets to minimal required elevation?


Yesterday I took a flying lesson with a chief piot and he told me a
small plane can lift off after about a thousand feet of runway and
then the maximum climb would be about 500 feet per minute. He thought
for a plane to stay the necessaary elevation over my property the
pilot is required a total of no less than 4000 feet. The runway will
be a dirt strip which also requires more distance.

any comments would be appreciated

"just an average Farlang..." wrote in
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| Can anyone tell me what criteria, rules, regulations a person needs to
| be
| allowed to construct a private runway on his or her property.

It really depends on your local zoning. Federal laws allow a person to build
a runway just about anywhere, so it is up to local government officials to
regulate where and how he can build a runway.

You should talk to your neighbor about your concerns. Be frank -- don't beat
around the bush. Also call your local zoning board and find out when the
hearing is and put yourself on the agenda so that you can speak and tell
them your concerns.

I doubt if your neighbor is running a crop dusting business or even
developing an airpark. Also, he is likely to be well over 1000 feet up by
the time he passes over your house on takeoff, which is when the airplane is
most noisy.

It could be worse, I suppose. You could be living back in town with a
neighbor who runs his noisy leaf blower all day. I don't think there are any
places left where you will find pristine peace and quiet.

just an average Farlang... wrote:

Can anyone tell me what criteria, rules, regulations a person needs to
be
allowed to construct a private runway on his or her property. I know
there
are many factors that are not presently known in this scenario but I
can
try to input as much as I know.

You do not own the airspace above your house. As long as it is legal
for him to have a runway on his property you are out of luck.

You do not own the airspace above your house. As long as it is legal
for him to have a runway on his property you are out of luck.


In Benton County Oregon, the neighbors have considerable say in a situation
like this if the proposed use is on a list of conditional uses allowed on the
particular zoning of the land. Getting a conditional use permit requires the
county to notify and collect data from all the neighbors, then develop a plan
to mitigate concerns, or deny the application if they don't see a way to keep
the peace.

I think the operative word is to find out if the airstrip is a totally allowed
use or if some conditions or permit process is required in your county.

good luck,
tom

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wrote:

You do not own the airspace above your house. As long as it is legal
for him to have a runway on his property you are out of luck.

Not quite true.
Nothing to stop him from erecting a 500 foot tower on his property in
line with the runway.