Orienting the Approach.

On transfer from a Class C approach controller to a Class D tower
facility under the umbrella, I got the following direction yesterday
when flying in from the west:

"Fly a right downwind to runway 17L , clear to land."

Got the picture?
What is the first turn direction?
On which runway do you turn final from base?

:-)

Brian W

On May 31, 5:09*pm, brian whatcott wrote:
On transfer from a Class C approach controller to a Class D tower
facility under the umbrella, I got the following direction yesterday
when flying in from the west:

"Fly a right downwind to runway 17L , clear to land."

* Got the picture?
What is the first turn direction?
On which runway do you turn final from base?

:-)

Brian W

Wooops, maybe the handoff something got jagged up on where you were in
relation to the airport.

No question about it, I would have gotten a clarification from ATC
before initiating the approach as I can't imagine they wanting you to
cross mid field for 17L

On your last question, you are only cleared for 17L so it's not a
matter of which runway.

On May 31, 5:09*pm, brian whatcott wrote:
On transfer from a Class C approach controller to a Class D tower
facility under the umbrella, I got the following direction yesterday
when flying in from the west:

"Fly a right downwind to runway 17L , clear to land."

* Got the picture?
What is the first turn direction?
On which runway do you turn final from base?

:-)

Brian W

Sounds like you'd turn left onto the downwind, turn right base and fly
past 17R to turn final and land on 17L.

brian whatcott wrote:
On transfer from a Class C approach controller to a Class D tower
facility under the umbrella, I got the following direction yesterday
when flying in from the west:

"Fly a right downwind to runway 17L , clear to land."

Got the picture?
What is the first turn direction?
On which runway do you turn final from base?

:-)

Brian W

I think my response would be along the lines of "WTF do you want me to do?",
although phrased a bit more gentle.



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Jim Pennino

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brian whatcott wrote:
when flying in from the west:

"Fly a right downwind to runway 17L , clear to land."

Got the picture?
What is the first turn direction?
On which runway do you turn final from base?

I think my response would be along the lines of "WTF do you want me to
do?", although phrased a bit more gentle.

What we haven't been told is what is the situation regarding runway 17R.
Presumably there is one, but is it active? is it handled by the same tower
frequency? is there any known traffic?

Without any further direction or indication that it would be a problem, I
would just turn left, and enter a right downwind, turn base and fly past
17R and land on 17L as instructed. If the airport is not busy, or 17R is
closed, it could be a completely normal instruction.

I would also read back the clearance completely, to just make sure I'm
doing what they're expecting. .

Mike

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On May 31, 5:09*pm, brian whatcott wrote:
On transfer from a Class C approach controller to a Class D tower
facility under the umbrella, I got the following direction yesterday
when flying in from the west:

"Fly a right downwind to runway 17L , clear to land."

* Got the picture?
What is the first turn direction?
On which runway do you turn final from base?

:-)

Brian W

Sounds like you'd turn left onto the downwind, turn right base and fly
past 17R to turn final and land on 17L.

Sounds good to me.

--
Duncan.

In article , betwys1
@sbcglobal.net says...

On transfer from a Class C approach controller to a Class D tower
facility under the umbrella, I got the following direction yesterday
when flying in from the west:

"Fly a right downwind to runway 17L , clear to land."

Got the picture?
What is the first turn direction?
On which runway do you turn final from base?

:-)

Brian W

Perhaps it's a left-hand circuit (std) and they want you to join
downwind, right-hand. That's what it sounds like to me.


--
Duncan.

On May 31, 10:58*pm, Dave Doe wrote:
In article , betwys1
@sbcglobal.net says...



On transfer from a Class C approach controller to a Class D tower
facility under the umbrella, I got the following direction yesterday
when flying in from the west:

"Fly a right downwind to runway 17L , clear to land."

* Got the picture?
What is the first turn direction?
On which runway do you turn final from base?

:-)

Brian W

Perhaps it's a left-hand circuit (std) and they want you to join
downwind, right-hand. *That's what it sounds like to me.

--
Duncan.

The rote reply would be to fly an upwind on 17L, cross wind across the
thresholds of 35R and if the runways are far enough apart 35L, then
fly the downwind as cleared. I'd be asking tower a LOT of questions
though. The approach might make sense if 17R-35L was closed: right
hand traffic would keep airplanes over the airport instead of whatever
might be to the west of 17L-35R

Eyeballs outside the cockpit for sure!

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What is the first turn direction?
On which runway do you turn final from base?


If you're thinking he is asking for a sidestep, that's not how I would
interpret it. I would assume this instruction means they are not using
17R/35L, however if I get an instruction that sends me across other
potential traffic, I just run it by them, "Right downwind One Seven
left, my base leg will cross one sevn right three five left axis" then
it's 50/50 as to whether I get "correct, cross....." or "correction,
right downwind one seven right, cleared to land".

Dave Doe wrote:
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On transfer from a Class C approach controller to a Class D tower
facility under the umbrella, I got the following direction yesterday
when flying in from the west:

"Fly a right downwind to runway 17L , clear to land."

Got the picture?
What is the first turn direction?
On which runway do you turn final from base?

:-)

Brian W
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Sounds like you'd turn left onto the downwind, turn right base and fly
past 17R to turn final and land on 17L.

Sounds good to me.



Well, that's what I did, and there was no problem.
In fact the FAA recommended join is 45 degrees to the downwind leg, so a
left turn onto downwind was no issue.
Flying a right pattern across a parallel runway would only happen when
both runways are not in use, obviously.

Regards

Brian W
p.s. As people remark to me all the time: there are only old pilots
left, any more. GenAv is suffering from an emigration of flight schools
to Brazil (!!) would you believe!