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On Mar 21, 3:53 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Larry D. Cosby" lcosby at knology dot net wrote in news:3e97f
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Hi, I was wondering what the acronym GUMPS stood on a landing
checklist.
Larry

Gas Undercarriage Mixture Prop

Never heard the S before.

There used to be CIGARTIP

Which was:

Controls, Instruments, Gas, Altimeter. can't remember the 'R',
Trim
'I'
I don't know either and Props

Good one for simple lightplanes is CIGMFT. (Cig means fine
tobacco)

Controls Instruments Gas Mixture Flaps Trim.

Betie

Neither of those had a gear check?

Unless R stands for "Retractable?"


Why would you need a gear check for takeoff?


Corporate pilot picks up the newly painted and upholsterd Aero
Commander
and didn't check the gear switch.

About half way down the runway (where the bump was) the gear sucks up
and the newly painted belly scapes for a while, but the thing gets
airborne.

Once around the pattern and back to the shop for new belly skin and
more paint.

That's why a gear check for takeoff.



Nope, that;'s why a cockpit safety inspection.

Semantics.

From the C172RG checklist in the POH:

Section 1, item 2. Landing Gear Lever -- DOWN


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"Larry D. Cosby" lcosby at knology dot net wrote in
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Hi, I was wondering what the acronym GUMPS stood on a
landing
checklist.
Larry

Gas Undercarriage Mixture Prop

Never heard the S before.

There used to be CIGARTIP

Which was:

Controls, Instruments, Gas, Altimeter. can't remember the 'R',
Trim
'I'
I don't know either and Props

Good one for simple lightplanes is CIGMFT. (Cig means fine
tobacco)

Controls Instruments Gas Mixture Flaps Trim.

Betie

Neither of those had a gear check?

Unless R stands for "Retractable?"


Why would you need a gear check for takeoff?


Corporate pilot picks up the newly painted and upholsterd Aero
Commander
and didn't check the gear switch.

About half way down the runway (where the bump was) the gear sucks
up
and the newly painted belly scapes for a while, but the thing gets
airborne.

Once around the pattern and back to the shop for new belly skin and
more paint.

That's why a gear check for takeoff.



Nope, that;'s why a cockpit safety inspection.

Semantics.


No, seperate checklist.

From the C172RG checklist in the POH:

Section 1, item 2. Landing Gear Lever -- DOWN

In the pre takeoff checks?




Bertie

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On Mar 22, 10:20 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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On Mar 21, 6:08 pm, Dan wrote:
On Mar 21, 5:42 pm, "Bob F." wrote:
Everyone knows the gear can't come up while taxiing anyway, no
matter wh
at
you do with the switches.
You have got to be kidding...?
Or else flying a fixed gear.
Dan Mc
Theres no way the gear can retract while the plane's weight is on
the gear.
Even if the squat switch were to fail, the gear retraction motor is
not going to be powerful enough to bring the gear up from
underneath you.
Wow, an even bigger idiot than I thought.

As soon as I saw someone post about trying the old gear up witch and
rely on the squat, I thought of you.

And you can get the gear up on the ground, fjukkwit. For one thing
the nosewheel will happily retract and if you're taxiing the rolling
of the mains will happilly allow the wheels to move., once they're
over center yo
u
are on your belly.

Bertie
You sound like you speak from experience...


Of course I do, that's because I am. But I've never retracted the gear
on an airplane.

I certainly haven't gone around making idiotic statements like you just
did, either.



Bertie



Hitting the gear switch on some of the old hydraulic system airplanes on
the ground could produce "interesting" results.
I believe Ron Natalie checked in with some comment on the Navion. He and
Margy own one.
It's been years, but I seem to remember a clear warning in the Navion's
manual directed to this issue.

--
Dudley Henriques

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On Mar 22, 10:20 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
buttman wrote
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On Mar 21, 6:08 pm, Dan wrote:
On Mar 21, 5:42 pm, "Bob F." wrote:
Everyone knows the gear can't come up while taxiing anyway, no
matter wh
at
you do with the switches.
You have got to be kidding...?
Or else flying a fixed gear.
Dan Mc
Theres no way the gear can retract while the plane's weight is on
the gear.
Even if the squat switch were to fail, the gear retraction motor
is
not going to be powerful enough to bring the gear up from
underneath you.
Wow, an even bigger idiot than I thought.

As soon as I saw someone post about trying the old gear up witch
and
rely on the squat, I thought of you.

And you can get the gear up on the ground, fjukkwit. For one thing
the nosewheel will happily retract and if you're taxiing the
rolling
of the mains will happilly allow the wheels to move., once they're
over center yo
u
are on your belly.

Bertie
You sound like you speak from experience...


Of course I do, that's because I am. But I've never retracted the
gear
on an airplane.

I certainly haven't gone around making idiotic statements like you
just
did, either.



Bertie



Hitting the gear switch on some of the old hydraulic system airplanes
on
the ground could produce "interesting" results.
I believe Ron Natalie checked in with some comment on the Navion. He
and
Margy own one.
It's been years, but I seem to remember a clear warning in the
Navion's
manual directed to this issue.


I think the old manual Mooneys were pretty easy to get wrong as well.
there was one at Montgomeryville that kneeled down at the pumps when
someone who was looking for the parking brake undid the handle. Never
flew one, but there's some sort of collar that can be slid away and
alows the selector handle or lock handle to move and unlock?


Bertie

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On Mar 21, 3:53 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Larry D. Cosby" lcosby at knology dot net wrote in
news:3e97f
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Hi, I was wondering what the acronym GUMPS stood on a
landing
checklist.
Larry

Gas Undercarriage Mixture Prop

Never heard the S before.

There used to be CIGARTIP

Which was:

Controls, Instruments, Gas, Altimeter. can't remember the 'R',
Trim
'I'
I don't know either and Props

Good one for simple lightplanes is CIGMFT. (Cig means fine
tobacco)

Controls Instruments Gas Mixture Flaps Trim.

Betie

Neither of those had a gear check?

Unless R stands for "Retractable?"


Why would you need a gear check for takeoff?


Corporate pilot picks up the newly painted and upholsterd Aero
Commander
and didn't check the gear switch.

About half way down the runway (where the bump was) the gear sucks
up
and the newly painted belly scapes for a while, but the thing gets
airborne.

Once around the pattern and back to the shop for new belly skin and
more paint.

That's why a gear check for takeoff.



Nope, that;'s why a cockpit safety inspection.

Semantics.


No, seperate checklist.

From the C172RG checklist in the POH:

Section 1, item 2. Landing Gear Lever -- DOWN

In the pre takeoff checks?

In the POH I have (1981) it has a section called "checklist procedures".

It then has:

preflight inspection
before starting engine
starting engine
before takeoff
takeoff
etc.

"Landing Gear Lever -- DOWN" appears in both preflight inspection and
before starting engine.


--
Jim Pennino

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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in news:G_-
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
buttman wrote in
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On Mar 22, 10:20 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
buttman wrote
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:

On Mar 21, 6:08 pm, Dan wrote:
On Mar 21, 5:42 pm, "Bob F." wrote:
Everyone knows the gear can't come up while taxiing anyway, no
matter wh
at
you do with the switches.
You have got to be kidding...?
Or else flying a fixed gear.
Dan Mc
Theres no way the gear can retract while the plane's weight is on
the gear.
Even if the squat switch were to fail, the gear retraction motor
is
not going to be powerful enough to bring the gear up from
underneath you.
Wow, an even bigger idiot than I thought.

As soon as I saw someone post about trying the old gear up witch
and
rely on the squat, I thought of you.

And you can get the gear up on the ground, fjukkwit. For one thing
the nosewheel will happily retract and if you're taxiing the
rolling
of the mains will happilly allow the wheels to move., once they're
over center yo
u
are on your belly.

Bertie
You sound like you speak from experience...

Of course I do, that's because I am. But I've never retracted the
gear
on an airplane.

I certainly haven't gone around making idiotic statements like you
just
did, either.



Bertie


Hitting the gear switch on some of the old hydraulic system airplanes
on
the ground could produce "interesting" results.
I believe Ron Natalie checked in with some comment on the Navion. He
and
Margy own one.
It's been years, but I seem to remember a clear warning in the
Navion's
manual directed to this issue.


I think the old manual Mooneys were pretty easy to get wrong as well.
there was one at Montgomeryville that kneeled down at the pumps when
someone who was looking for the parking brake undid the handle. Never
flew one, but there's some sort of collar that can be slid away and
alows the selector handle or lock handle to move and unlock?


Bertie

Kind of spoils the whole mood for the flight :-)))

--
Dudley Henriques

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On Mar 21, 3:53 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Larry D. Cosby" lcosby at knology dot net wrote in
news:3e97f
:



Hi, I was wondering what the acronym GUMPS stood on a
landing
checklist.
Larry

Gas Undercarriage Mixture Prop

Never heard the S before.

There used to be CIGARTIP

Which was:

Controls, Instruments, Gas, Altimeter. can't remember the
'R',
Trim
'I'
I don't know either and Props

Good one for simple lightplanes is CIGMFT. (Cig means fine
tobacco)

Controls Instruments Gas Mixture Flaps Trim.

Betie

Neither of those had a gear check?

Unless R stands for "Retractable?"


Why would you need a gear check for takeoff?


Corporate pilot picks up the newly painted and upholsterd Aero
Commander
and didn't check the gear switch.

About half way down the runway (where the bump was) the gear
sucks
up
and the newly painted belly scapes for a while, but the thing
gets
airborne.

Once around the pattern and back to the shop for new belly skin
and
more paint.

That's why a gear check for takeoff.



Nope, that;'s why a cockpit safety inspection.

Semantics.


No, seperate checklist.

From the C172RG checklist in the POH:

Section 1, item 2. Landing Gear Lever -- DOWN

In the pre takeoff checks?

In the POH I have (1981) it has a section called "checklist
procedures".

It then has:

preflight inspection
before starting engine
starting engine
before takeoff
takeoff
etc.

"Landing Gear Lever -- DOWN" appears in both preflight inspection and
before starting engine.



But not in the before takeoff checks.
It appears in every retactable during the cockpit safety inspection (
your preflight begins with this, though it is not partitioned) And often
before engine start as a precaution. Never seen it in the before takeoff
checks.. You'd probably already know it wasnt down at that point.


Bertie

Dudley Henriques wrote in
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I think the old manual Mooneys were pretty easy to get wrong as well.
there was one at Montgomeryville that kneeled down at the pumps when
someone who was looking for the parking brake undid the handle. Never
flew one, but there's some sort of collar that can be slid away and
alows the selector handle or lock handle to move and unlock?


Bertie

Kind of spoils the whole mood for the flight :-)))


Yeah, I think the prop was vertical as well, just to add injury to
insult.


Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
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I think the old manual Mooneys were pretty easy to get wrong as well.
there was one at Montgomeryville that kneeled down at the pumps when
someone who was looking for the parking brake undid the handle. Never
flew one, but there's some sort of collar that can be slid away and
alows the selector handle or lock handle to move and unlock?


Bertie
Kind of spoils the whole mood for the flight :-)))


Yeah, I think the prop was vertical as well, just to add injury to
insult.


Bertie

Ouch!! At least when this happens you get a new found bounce in your
step with all that weight out of your wallet that was there before it
happened.
:-)



--
Dudley Henriques

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On Mar 21, 3:53 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Larry D. Cosby" lcosby at knology dot net wrote in
news:3e97f
:



Hi, I was wondering what the acronym GUMPS stood on a
landing
checklist.
Larry
Gas Undercarriage Mixture Prop

Never heard the S before.

There used to be CIGARTIP

Which was:

Controls, Instruments, Gas, Altimeter. can't remember the
'R',
Trim
'I'
I don't know either and Props

Good one for simple lightplanes is CIGMFT. (Cig means fine
tobacco)
Controls Instruments Gas Mixture Flaps Trim.

Betie
Neither of those had a gear check?

Unless R stands for "Retractable?"

Why would you need a gear check for takeoff?

Corporate pilot picks up the newly painted and upholsterd Aero
Commander
and didn't check the gear switch.

About half way down the runway (where the bump was) the gear
sucks
up
and the newly painted belly scapes for a while, but the thing
gets
airborne.

Once around the pattern and back to the shop for new belly skin
and
more paint.

That's why a gear check for takeoff.


Nope, that;'s why a cockpit safety inspection.
Semantics.

No, seperate checklist.
From the C172RG checklist in the POH:

Section 1, item 2. Landing Gear Lever -- DOWN
In the pre takeoff checks?
In the POH I have (1981) it has a section called "checklist
procedures".
It then has:

preflight inspection
before starting engine
starting engine
before takeoff
takeoff
etc.

"Landing Gear Lever -- DOWN" appears in both preflight inspection and
before starting engine.



But not in the before takeoff checks.
It appears in every retactable during the cockpit safety inspection (
your preflight begins with this, though it is not partitioned) And often
before engine start as a precaution. Never seen it in the before takeoff
checks.. You'd probably already know it wasnt down at that point.


Bertie

Yeah. That scraping sound as you try to taxi into position is a dead
giveaway :-))

--
Dudley Henriques