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"Teacherjh" wrote in message ... If I'm picking up ice, the laws of physics will take over, and whether or not they "have to have me" at 8000, I won't be there. There's little other choice at that point. But there's sure to be consequences. |
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what old clearance? You were told told to expect 8,000 on the ground. Taking off is by definition acceptance of a clearance. True. But I was expanding the point a bit. You're in the air, cleared at 5000 feet direct to Podunk. Freezing level is 6000 feet. Bigtown approach gives you a new clearance - 8000 feet and ten miles over the ocean. You reject that clearance, and still have your old clearance. Ultimately ATC needs to work this out with you and with other aircraft. You are under no obligation to accept the new clearance. You're on the ground, and they offer you a clearance into the ice. You refuse, you don't go anywhere. You're not in the air yet. You accept it hoping to negotiate in the air. They won't play ball. You DON'T have an "old clearance" you can fly - you already accepted the clearance into the ice. If ATC refuses to play ball because they "need" you somewhere, the laws of physics eventually take over. Yes, there will be consequences, and they won't be pretty. They were two different scenarios, but both involved choosing to refuse (or not) a clearance. Jose -- (for Email, make the obvious changes in my address) |
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"Teacherjh" wrote in message ... If ATC issues a clearance which will cause you to violate the FARs, are you legally bound to accept it? No. If you are in the air, you still fly your old clearance while you reject the new one and you and ATC work it out. If you are on the ground however, ATC has no incentive to work it out with you. You end up staying on the ground. You are the one with the incentive to wotk it out in the air. ATC will give you what you want if they can. But they may not be able to. |
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ATC will give you what you want if they can. But they may not be able to. That seems to be true in most places. It does not seem to be true in the metropolitan NY area, and this is confirmed by my inquiries during a safety seminar. They said flat out that you will get 7000 via Pennsylvania no matter what. Jose -- (for Email, make the obvious changes in my address) |
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