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Discussion on dealing with future ADIZ Incursions by light A/C
I would like to start a thread on what I see as the most pertinent
take-away from yesterday's incursion: How can the current responses be modified to make the response more relevant to the threat, when the inevitable occurs again and a pilot gets lost? Assuming pilots won't get lost in the future doesn't seem very realistic (how many of us can say that we were never lost?). And there seems to be general consensus that the images on CNN of F-16's cavorting while the Cessna put-putted its merry way, interspersed with shots of people fleeing the Capitol, were faintly ridiculous and put the US in a bad light. So what's the solution? CNN showed a red-green laser system they want to use to signal pilots, but it's not clear how this would have addressed the most recent incursion. One of the issues is that there is no easy way to distinguish a 1200 sqawk from an L-4 (no, or minimum, threat) from the same squawk from a G-4, which I think all of can agree could do significant damage. Consequently, we adopt a one-resposne fits all policy to any incursion. Are there any technological tricks which would help tailor the response to the type of ariplane involved? Hank Rausch N8806T |
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On 12 May 2005 09:20:01 -0700, "Hank Rausch"
wrote in .com:: How can the current responses be modified to make the response more relevant to the threat, when the inevitable occurs again and a pilot gets lost? Your premise for your proposed discussion presupposes that an ADIZ or Prohibited Area are effective security measures. Until that is proven true, talk of responses to incursions into them is moot, IMHO. |
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Good possible topic for another thread, but in light of what happened
yesterday, do you realistically see the ADIZ going away any time soon? There was a fellow on the tube last night talking about expanding to 100nm. |
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"Hank Rausch" wrote in message oups.com... Good possible topic for another thread, but in light of what happened yesterday, do you realistically see the ADIZ going away any time soon? There was a fellow on the tube last night talking about expanding to 100nm. I can tell you one thing for sure, and the equation doesn't require a bomb to go off either. You can take it to the bank that the government has considered the sheer propaganda value to the terrorist movement of a single aircraft, GA or otherwise, managing to slip through these restricted areas and crash as a simple suicide into ANY valuable American target. The effect of this happening would be like an adrenalin shot for the terrorist world. The government absolutely can NOT allow this to happen and will most likely take every conceivable precaution to prevent just such an occurrence from taking place. I'm afraid it's not going to be a very "happy time" for General Aviation as these threat options are considered and acted upon. Personally, I think what's out there now is just the tip of a very big "government control"iceberg. Dudley Henriques |
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On Thu, 12 May 2005 18:16:37 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
dhenriques@noware .net wrote in et:: Personally, I think what's out there now is just the tip of a very big "government control"iceberg. I think you're correct. The government is running scared of a potential domestic insurrection as a result of population growth, and taking this opportunity to put into place the (il)legal basis for responding to any hint of it. |
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Larry Dighera wrote: I think you're correct. The government is running scared of a potential domestic insurrection as a result of population growth, and taking this opportunity to put into place the (il)legal basis for responding to any hint of it. are we going just a bit over the top here? -- Bob Noel no one likes an educated mule |
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In article , Larry Dighera wrote:
I think you're correct. The government is running scared of a potential domestic insurrection as a result of population growth, and taking this opportunity to put into place the (il)legal basis for responding to any hint of it. Whilst the vast majority of Americans enjoy a good, at least middle class lifestyle, there will be no revolt or insurrection. Can you imagine any typical middle class person sacrificing their nice comfortable life for civil war? No, neither can I. It ain't gonna happen unless the standard of living in the US collapses (and by collapse, I mean to near famine levels - countries like Mexico which are endemic with grinding poverty aren't in danger of insurrection). -- Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net "Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee" |
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"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote in message nk.net... I can tell you one thing for sure, and the equation doesn't require a bomb to go off either. You can take it to the bank that the government has considered the sheer propaganda value to the terrorist movement of a single aircraft, GA or otherwise, managing to slip through these restricted areas and crash as a simple suicide into ANY valuable American target. The effect of this happening would be like an adrenalin shot for the terrorist world. The government absolutely can NOT allow this to happen and will most likely take every conceivable precaution to prevent just such an occurrence from taking place. I'm afraid it's not going to be a very "happy time" for General Aviation as these threat options are considered and acted upon. Personally, I think what's out there now is just the tip of a very big "government control"iceberg. Dudley Henriques No, if an aircraft managed to crash in to something, then the folks in gov'ment would spin it into some deranged individual acting alone or similar; they would be absolutely sure to make it a non-terrorist event... |
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"Blueskies" wrote in message ... "Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote in message nk.net... I can tell you one thing for sure, and the equation doesn't require a bomb to go off either. You can take it to the bank that the government has considered the sheer propaganda value to the terrorist movement of a single aircraft, GA or otherwise, managing to slip through these restricted areas and crash as a simple suicide into ANY valuable American target. The effect of this happening would be like an adrenalin shot for the terrorist world. The government absolutely can NOT allow this to happen and will most likely take every conceivable precaution to prevent just such an occurrence from taking place. I'm afraid it's not going to be a very "happy time" for General Aviation as these threat options are considered and acted upon. Personally, I think what's out there now is just the tip of a very big "government control"iceberg. Dudley Henriques No, if an aircraft managed to crash in to something, then the folks in gov'ment would spin it into some deranged individual acting alone or similar; they would be absolutely sure to make it a non-terrorist event... In this case the answer would be "yes" wouldn't it? :-) No doubt the government would spin it. In fact, they would do everything in their power to negate the terrorist's mission. Spinning it is just one possible option the government would use to take the sting out of the propaganda value terrorists would most certainly be present if the pilot of such a mission was indeed a terrorist. I honestly believe these last two in that 150 came within a hair's breath of being shot down. The next one to wander into one of these areas might not be so lucky! Dudley Henriques |
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I would like to start a thread on what I see as the most pertinent
take-away from yesterday's incursion: How can the current responses be modified to make the response more relevant to the threat, when the inevitable occurs again and a pilot gets lost? Assuming pilots won't get lost in the future doesn't seem very realistic You've already lost the argument by pre-supposing that pilots will continue to be idiots. CNN showed a red-green laser system they want to use to signal pilots, but it's not clear how this would have addressed the most recent incursion. Anyone stupid enough to fly over Washington, D.C.'s most sensitive areas would probably wonder what all the pretty lights were for... No, the solution was EDUCATION of pilots, BY PILOTS. Peer pressure can be a wonderfully effective thing, and we should be doing our best to either educate or eliminate "pilots" such as these. Unfortunately, I fear that the time for education may have passed us by, and the Feds will be forced to assume that we are all morons. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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