"Full length"

"Mike Young" wrote in message
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I take it as acknowledgement and explicit permission to land long to avoid
wake turbulence, possibly needed and well adviced when they sandwich your
spam can between two heavies.


Is explicit permission needed to land long?

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
Is explicit permission needed to land long?

Only when the field/runway is under a LAHSO procedure and/or the
controller gives you a LAHSO clearance, and you request otherwise.
"Cleared to land" gives you the entire runway length, by default.

TheSmokingGnu

"TheSmokingGnu" wrote in message
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Only when the field/runway is under a LAHSO procedure and/or the
controller gives you a LAHSO clearance, and you request otherwise.
"Cleared to land" gives you the entire runway length, by default.


Right, so adding "full length to "cleared to land" adds nothing but two
unnecessary words.

Right, so adding "full length to "cleared to land" adds nothing but two
unnecessary words.

The same can be said of any explicit statement that could be stated
implicitly. One person's "unnecessary words" are another person's
"useful redundancy".

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Jose wrote:
Right, so adding "full length to "cleared to land" adds nothing but
two unnecessary words.

The same can be said of any explicit statement that could be stated
implicitly. One person's "unnecessary words" are another person's
"useful redundancy".

To whit, when entering Class D airspace, the controllers here typically
go into this long-winded tirade about "clearances" and "over the field"
and "watch for other traffic", when all they have to do is use my full
callsign to give me permission to enter the airspace.

Don't ask me why all that unnecessary verbiage is, erm, necessary. :P

TheSmokingGnu

"John Clear" wrote in message
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In article ,
Nils Rostedt wrote:
Slightly OT: Is there a difference between the meaning of "clear to land"
between US and Europe?

The reason I ask is because while watching the traffic flow at FLL, I got
the impression landing clearance for airplane X was given even though
there
were still other planes ahead, as soon as ATC is sure the separation is
big
enough for safety. In contrast, up here ATC gives the landing clearance
only
when the previous plane has actually vacated the runway.


Your understanding of the way it works in the US is correct. ATC
can issue the landing clearance on the expectation that the runway
will be free when you get there.

I've been "number 12, cleared to land" at Palo Alto (KPAO), and on
a different day, heard someone else get "number 15, cleared to
land". When I was number 12, only one plane before me had to go
around for traffic on the runway, which isn't bad at all.

Normally in the UK only one aircraft is cleared to land and that is when the
aircraft is on final approach and the runway is clear of any preceding
aircraft.

An aircraft on final approach with one ahead is asked to continue until
cleared to land or he calls missed approach.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Mike Young" wrote in message
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I take it as acknowledgement and explicit permission to land long to avoid
wake turbulence, possibly needed and well adviced when they sandwich your
spam can between two heavies.



Is explicit permission needed to land long?


Although explicit permission isn't NEEDED when I was based at Dulles I
would always ask for permission to land long. 95% of the time I was
given it and the other 5% the controller would say something to the
effect "It would really help if you could exit the first high speed"
which I would do. It was really a matter of courtesy. The aircraft
that tried to make things easier for the controllers were also the ones
that the controllers would try to make things easier for the aircraft.
I would also get things likes "go to the intersection of Rt 7 and Rt 28
and circle, I'll get you in as soon as there is a gap", instead of
"remain clear the class B, I'll get back to you in 30 minutes".

Margy

"Margy Natalie" wrote

The aircraft that tried to make things easier for the controllers were
also the ones that the controllers would try to make things easier for the
aircraft. I would also get things likes "go to the intersection of Rt 7
and Rt 28 and circle, I'll get you in as soon as there is a gap", instead
of "remain clear the class B, I'll get back to you in 30 minutes".

Right!!!

I wash your back, you wash mine! g

That works in other things in life, besides ATC. :-)
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Jim in NC