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Winch operations in MN?
My understanding is that Frank Whiteley and Bill Daniels qualified a
commercial operator and several local pilots/CFIs on winch operations somewhere in Minnesota. Please tell me which airport and operator contact info? Were any of you there? Have you heard about this? Will you consider going to a commercial operator to train and get your winch signoff? Note, we do winch operations with our membership at Owl Canyon Gliderport (4CO2), Colorado Soaring Association, Wellington, Colorado. Best regards, Jer/ "Flight instruction and mountain flying are my vocations!" -- Jer/ (Slash) Eberhard, Mountain Flying Aviation, LTD, Ft Collins, CO CELL 970 231-6325 EMAIL jer'at'frii.com http://users.frii.net/jer/ C-206, CFII Airplane&Glider, FAA-DEN Aviation Safety Counselor CAP-CO Mission&Aircraft CheckPilot BM218 HAM N0FZD 282 Young Eagles! |
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Winch operations in MN?
I endorsed Don Ingraham as a winch CFI-G and gave a lot of other pilots got
their first winch rides. I think Don is doing winch checkouts on weekdays for now. I suggest calling ahead. See: http://www.crosscountrysoaring.com/ It's nice to have one commercial operation using a winch - at least part time. Bill Daniels wrote in message p... My understanding is that Frank Whiteley and Bill Daniels qualified a commercial operator and several local pilots/CFIs on winch operations somewhere in Minnesota. Please tell me which airport and operator contact info? Were any of you there? Have you heard about this? Will you consider going to a commercial operator to train and get your winch signoff? Note, we do winch operations with our membership at Owl Canyon Gliderport (4CO2), Colorado Soaring Association, Wellington, Colorado. Best regards, Jer/ "Flight instruction and mountain flying are my vocations!" -- Jer/ (Slash) Eberhard, Mountain Flying Aviation, LTD, Ft Collins, CO CELL 970 231-6325 EMAIL jer'at'frii.com http://users.frii.net/jer/ C-206, CFII Airplane&Glider, FAA-DEN Aviation Safety Counselor CAP-CO Mission&Aircraft CheckPilot BM218 HAM N0FZD 282 Young Eagles! |
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Winch operations in MN?
On Jun 26, 10:25*am, wrote:
My understanding is that Frank Whiteley and Bill Daniels qualified a commercial operator and several local pilots/CFIs on winch operations somewhere in Minnesota. Please tell me which airport and operator contact info? Were any of you there? Have you heard about this? Will you consider going to a commercial operator to train and get your winch signoff? Note, we do winch operations with our membership at Owl Canyon Gliderport (4CO2), Colorado Soaring Association, Wellington, Colorado. Best regards, Jer/ "Flight instruction and mountain flying are my vocations!" -- Jer/ (Slash) Eberhard, Mountain Flying Aviation, LTD, Ft Collins, CO CELL 970 231-6325 EMAIL jer'at'frii.com *http://users.frii.net/jer/ C-206, CFII Airplane&Glider, FAA-DEN Aviation Safety Counselor CAP-CO Mission&Aircraft CheckPilot BM218 HAM N0FZD 282 Young Eagles! Don Ingraham has shared some pictures of the winch clinic here http://www.crosscountrysoaring.com/welcome22.html A video of some of the launches is here http://www.soaringchapters.org/minnesota/mn_winch.wmv Note that most of the recorded launches are the first, second, or third efforts by the four others learning to drive the winch. The videos are specifically to show the rope control after release. A fair quartering crosswind was blowing so it often dropped to the side a bit. That said, when operating with runways lights, it's very useful to have 500ft of overrun past the end lights as it's difficult to judge the chute distance between 500-1000ft and the distance closes over the last 500ft. Using a shorter distance may well result in snagging a light or putting the winch tackle into the rollers or fairlead. Two end lights were removed on the retrieve side of the runway. That winch is well-behaved and straight forward to drive, though the throttle handle throw was a bit long for my liking. It has very good dual-caliper disk brakes on the drum. Frank Whiteley |
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Winch operations in MN?
On Jun 26, 7:56*pm, Frank Whiteley wrote:
Don Ingraham has shared some pictures of the winch clinic herehttp://www.crosscountrysoaring.com/welcome22.html A video of some of the launches is herehttp://www.soaringchapters.org/minnesota/mn_winch.wmv Frank Whiteley Can I suggest that the people taking the video might like to consider what would happen to the cable when it breaks under tension at just the wrong height. I've watched the cable snake along the ground alongside and (say) 40ft behind our winch. Quite entertaining (and even pretty), but I was glad I was off the ground in another vehicle! Tom Gardner |
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Winch operations in MN?
Can I suggest that the people taking the video might like to consider
what would happen to the cable when it breaks under tension at just the wrong height. I've watched the cable snake along the ground Just another advantage of Dyneema over steel. |
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Winch operations in MN?
"John Smith" wrote in message ... Can I suggest that the people taking the video might like to consider what would happen to the cable when it breaks under tension at just the wrong height. I've watched the cable snake along the ground Just another advantage of Dyneema over steel. Yes, the safety difference between Dyneema (or Spectra) and the old steel cable is dramatic. By comparison, steel cable is just ugly, dangerous stuff. If you break Dyneema under tension, it just falls. It never snaps back or tangles like steel. However, even though Dyneema is very light and extremely well behaved, it's still very strong. I wouldn't want to get it wrapped around me while it's being pulled by a big engine. I've seen the results of it cutting through half inch steel plate like a laser with no apparent damage to the Dyneema. Bill D |
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Winch operations in MN?
On Jun 26, 2:08*pm, Tom Gardner wrote:
On Jun 26, 7:56*pm, Frank Whiteley wrote: Don Ingraham has shared some pictures of the winch clinic herehttp://www.crosscountrysoaring.com/welcome22.html A video of some of the launches is herehttp://www.soaringchapters.org/minnesota/mn_winch.wmv Frank Whiteley Can I suggest that the people taking the video might like to consider what would happen to the cable when it breaks under tension at just the wrong height. I've watched the cable snake along the ground alongside and (say) 40ft behind our winch. *Quite entertaining (and even pretty), but I was glad I was off the ground in another vehicle! Tom Gardner You bring up a valid point. Solid steel wire is the worst and needs a wide clear zone for auto tow, reverse pulley, or winching. 7/7 (and 7/19 to a slightly lesser extent) needs a clear zone also, especially on the drum side and aft. I wouldn't have my truck attached with any steel, even with drum covers. The dyneema and spectra ropes have no recoil and negligible mass. Even then, when I put the camcorder on the drum side, it was left unattended on a tripod, nor would I allow anyone on that side during launching. When winching, we need folks switched on, at both ends of the rope, to what's happening on, above, and in the traffic vicinity of the airfield. As this was a new activity there, it was NOTAMed. At one point, we had a large tractor, towing a tank and spray gear cross the airport. Bill announced holding for heavy equipment on the runway. The FBO replied what heavy equipment? Then took a look. The treads of the tractor actually flicked the winch rope, but didn't snatch it fortunately. We explained things as he passed by. Frank Whiteley |
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