Any CAP pilots?

The Wyoming guys sound like student pilots on the radio. You have to
treat them with kid gloves.



wrote:
On Nov 5, 10:54 am, "Gatt" wrote:

A coworker is a radio specialist for the local Civil Air Patrol unit, says
they're looking for pilots right now.

I'm just curious what thoughts or experiences people have with regard to the
CAP.

-Chris


My experience with the Wyoming arm of the CAP was troubling at best. I
offered to go though the Form 5 jump through the hoops process. The
wing was and still is run by a bunch of ex military people who have
the system set up to make it next to impossible for anew guy to get to
fly "their" planes. After a year or so I threw in the towel and
emailed the nationa commander to view my thoughts. I warned him of
incompentence and the inbreed nature of the CAP here. I would not fly
with certain pilots and named them. Just s few weeks later he flew the
CAP plane through the Snake River canyon where it was about 100 feet
wide and hit a cable 15 feet of the water. Killed him and destroyed
the plane. This year one of the other pilots who was known as
marginal at best was on a mission and spun it in, killing himself and
two other innocent humans. Also someone posted that you will be called
for a mission in the middile of the night. i was told a CAP plane
CANNOT fly bewteen sunset and sun up. as in , no night flying.
Probably just more BS that I was fed by the Wyoming CAP chapter. YMMV


Ben
www.haaspowerair.com

Gatt,

Locally I looked into the CAP and know a lot of people "Locals" that are in
the CAP "VUO And TTD" there is another one here it is run by the Clark
County Sheriff's Department seems like less of a clique, no fees, etc. Also
your phone don't work will be home for a few days I will be flying my bird a
bit then off to Denmark in a 172 then looks like few Cirrus over the pond to
the EU before the Africa trip.


"Gatt" wrote in message
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"Viperdoc" wrote in message
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I had a similar experience with our local chapter. I described my
experiences as an Air Force flight surgeon, and offered to help teach
first aid, etc.

Not one response. Makes one think they are a little clique that doesn't
want any outside participation.

Well, we'll see. I have an in through a coworker, but I sent the local
composite squadron commander an e-mail with a few questions and haven't
gotten a response either. Interesting comments, moreso coming from
different parts of the country.

The main reason I asked is because my only other experience with the CAP
was after Andrew in Baton Rouge when I was helping out at the FBO and they
came in. Taxiway incursions, pilots ignoring the kids flagging them into
the parking area and a bunch of old fatsters yelling at some -extremely-
eager and well-behaved kids all day long. Some of these kids looked like
beaten dogs; afraid of every adult around. One of the pilots was visibly
offended that the FBO employee (my girlfriend who was an LSU honors
student) driving the fuel truck was a woman. The FBO owner was as
hot-headed as some of the pilots so pretty soon they were toe-to-toe
yelling at each other in front of the kids on the tarmac. Really
discouraging.

The local branches seem to be really squared away, though. I see them
coming through for fuel with the cadets and they seem very professional.

-c

On Nov 6, 4:10 am, B A R R Y wrote:
Morgans wrote:

Are you going to make your second career in the aviation industry?

Many of us in the telecomm / data industry need to keep a plan ready.

Still looking hard for C++ programmers in Telecom. I interviewed a guy
yesterday that was pretty good (used to work in the labs at HP
Openview) but we'll see if the team likes him or not. If not we may
have to open the rec up for sponsorship (which is very expensive)
since its very hard to find programmers that already have the right to
work in the U.S.

http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/ser...ms+Integrators


-Robert

Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Nov 6, 4:10 am, B A R R Y wrote:
Morgans wrote:

Are you going to make your second career in the aviation industry?
Many of us in the telecomm / data industry need to keep a plan ready.

Still looking hard for C++ programmers in Telecom.

Lots of us in the telecomm industry aren't programmers. G

If I was, I would have been laid off a long time ago. My company
outsourced that to IBM / India a long time ago.

On Nov 6, 10:40 am, B A R R Y wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Nov 6, 4:10 am, B A R R Y wrote:
Morgans wrote:

Are you going to make your second career in the aviation industry?
Many of us in the telecomm / data industry need to keep a plan ready.

Still looking hard for C++ programmers in Telecom.

Lots of us in the telecomm industry aren't programmers. G

If I was, I would have been laid off a long time ago. My company
outsourced that to IBM / India a long time ago.

Too bad. If you have been laid off I know of 3 companies off the top
of my head that would be looking for you. Programmers in the U.S. can
be quiet hard to come by. The reason we hire in India as well is that
is where the programmers are. The cost savings is nearly nill at this
point. Top engineers in India are making nearly 6 figures, plus the
additional cost of having employees so far away, it doesn't save
money. However, I can get 6 resumes in India with one phone call, vs.
put an ad on Dice.com in the U.S. and wait 4 months.


-Robert

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Nov 6, 10:40 am, B A R R Y wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Nov 6, 4:10 am, B A R R Y wrote:
Morgans wrote:

Are you going to make your second career in the aviation industry?
Many of us in the telecomm / data industry need to keep a plan ready.

Still looking hard for C++ programmers in Telecom.

Lots of us in the telecomm industry aren't programmers. G

If I was, I would have been laid off a long time ago. My company
outsourced that to IBM / India a long time ago.

Too bad. If you have been laid off I know of 3 companies off the top
of my head that would be looking for you. Programmers in the U.S. can
be quiet hard to come by. The reason we hire in India as well is that
is where the programmers are. The cost savings is nearly nill at this
point. Top engineers in India are making nearly 6 figures, plus the
additional cost of having employees so far away, it doesn't save
money. However, I can get 6 resumes in India with one phone call, vs.
put an ad on Dice.com in the U.S. and wait 4 months.


-Robert


Yea, The only ones that have lasted in the US have been ones that could
afford to keep with the times and technology. I know some languages for
micro controllers that are now 98% obsolete. I was about ready to put off my
SMT equipment on Flea-Bay get rid of it for good. I have all the stuff to
rework Thru-Hole to BGA till my T.V.'s power supply went nutty dusted it off
fixed it along with few other items around the house then packed it up and
placed it in at attic again. I Dusted off my Superpro 680 also now nolonger
supported, http://www.xeltek.com/pages.php?pageid=11 and programmed a bunch
of atmels and pic chips for a friend this weekend.

I do miss the great income but what the hell!! I like what I do, Flying is
way more fun don't miss sitting in a room in front of a computer all day and
night at all again.

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
oups.com...

The reason we hire in India as well is that is where the programmers are.

The reason all the programmers are in India is because all the American
programmers were laid off.

However, I can get 6 resumes in India with one phone call, vs.
put an ad on Dice.com in the U.S. and wait 4 months.

A friend of mine works for Freightliner. They interviewed somebody over the
phone in India and paid to relocate him to the U.S. The guy moved his
family over here, rented a house and everything and about three weeks later
it became abundantly clear he wasn't the guy they interviewed on the phone.

Turns out that he'd hired some professional interviewee to secure the job
for him, and he in fact was totally unqualified for the position. For some
reason, Freightliner hasn't dismissed him for it. Meanwhile, a whole bunch
of qualified employees in Portland lost their job because Freightliner has
decided to move operations to Mexico.

America is, unfortunately, beginning to reap what it has sown.

-c

On Nov 6, 10:14 am, "Viperdoc" wrote:
I had a similar experience with our local chapter. I described my
experiences as an Air Force flight surgeon, and offered to help teach first
aid, etc.

Not one response. Makes one think they are a little clique that doesn't want
any outside participation.

That is the conclusion I drew from my attempt to volunteer with CAP
last year. It was like pulling teeth just to get the application
mailed in.

They are just a clique that is enjoying cheap flying on the govt's
dime and doesn't want anyone else in on their thing.

Boy the WY outfit sounds bad, however here in PA I do not see those
problems. We take the mission and training very serious. By the way there
are 3 missions not 2, the old SAR and Aerospace Ed are still there but there
is also a homeland security side.

I also can't believe the number of non-resonse reports people have had. In
this area we all recognize that volunteers are usually over worked and if
there can be more added to the rolls the better it is for everyone. We take
any help you are willing to give and realize the average person can't be
running every weekend.

I started about 1969 as a cadet and then went USAF. Came back 7 or 8 years
ago as a SM to fly because I believe as a Pilot if I went down I'd want some
one to come looking so therefore I need to do the same for fellow pilots.
This is also what made me be a volunteer fire fighter for 15 years, if you
want someone available to put out your house fire or responded to your car
wreck then you need to be able to return the favor for others.

It is a military based system, paperwork, rule and regulations so you need
to be able to adapt to that and work with it. If you have problem units
then do what you can to change them, usually if you read and know the
regulations you can deal with those who try to buffalo you with BS.

Ron Gardner, DO
GRP 5, PAWG

"Newps" wrote in message
. ..
The Wyoming guys sound like student pilots on the radio. You have to
treat them with kid gloves.



wrote:
On Nov 5, 10:54 am, "Gatt" wrote:

A coworker is a radio specialist for the local Civil Air Patrol unit,
says
they're looking for pilots right now.

I'm just curious what thoughts or experiences people have with regard to
the
CAP.

-Chris


My experience with the Wyoming arm of the CAP was troubling at best. I
offered to go though the Form 5 jump through the hoops process. The
wing was and still is run by a bunch of ex military people who have
the system set up to make it next to impossible for anew guy to get to
fly "their" planes. After a year or so I threw in the towel and
emailed the nationa commander to view my thoughts. I warned him of
incompentence and the inbreed nature of the CAP here. I would not fly
with certain pilots and named them. Just s few weeks later he flew the
CAP plane through the Snake River canyon where it was about 100 feet
wide and hit a cable 15 feet of the water. Killed him and destroyed
the plane. This year one of the other pilots who was known as
marginal at best was on a mission and spun it in, killing himself and
two other innocent humans. Also someone posted that you will be called
for a mission in the middile of the night. i was told a CAP plane
CANNOT fly bewteen sunset and sun up. as in , no night flying.
Probably just more BS that I was fed by the Wyoming CAP chapter. YMMV


Ben
www.haaspowerair.com

On Nov 6, 1:22 pm, "Gatt" wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in
Turns out that he'd hired some professional interviewee to secure the job
for him, and he in fact was totally unqualified for the position. For some
reason, Freightliner hasn't dismissed him for it. Meanwhile, a whole bunch
of qualified employees in Portland lost their job because Freightliner has
decided to move operations to Mexico.

America is, unfortunately, beginning to reap what it has sown.

At one point we used to bring our Indian employee applicants to the
U.S. to interview and train. They just made a joke of us. They came
out here on our dime, took weekends in San Fran. and quit the moment
they got back home. Now we have the team in India interview and train
employees in India. We later learned that most companies sign a
contract with their employees that requires they repay all training
cost if they leave in the 1st year.

-Robert