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NOT Bush-

A Governor in TX stated he helped GW get into the ANG. GW chose the one A/C
least likely to go to SE Asia(F-102). Knowing what I do of the A/C(F-102
capabilities at the time), the ANG(a flying club using USAF equipment), ther
selection and training process of the ANG(selected for a ANG unit, get wings,
return to that unit, not the 'unversally assignable pilot like the USAF).

Anybody that thinks GW 'served' his country by joining the ANG to fly ADC
F-102s is in Disneyland.

If he 'wanted to serve' and 'be a fighter pilot', why not join the USAF or
USN??
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

Big Red- President
Bush has an honorable discharge proving he fulfilled his military
commitment. Where's yours? BRBR

What 'military commitment' would that be?

If you wish to view GW as some sort of military hero, go right ahead but he
ineptitude during hs firsat 3.5 years is a matter of record. If ya love the
guym, vote for him but 'serve' in the military he did not. If ya think the ANG
is the USAF(as many civilians seem to think) then you are ignorant of the
military in general and the USAF specifically.

BTW-your military service??
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

"Pechs1" wrote in message
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NOT Bush-

A Governor in TX stated he helped GW get into the ANG. GW chose the one
A/C
least likely to go to SE Asia(F-102).

Political considerations aside, the F-102s were in SEA for a period
of...gasp...ten years.

Tex

On 8/30/04 8:36 AM, in article ,
"Pechs1" wrote:

Big Red- President
Bush has an honorable discharge proving he fulfilled his military
commitment. Where's yours? BRBR

What 'military commitment' would that be?

If you wish to view GW as some sort of military hero, go right ahead but he
ineptitude during hs firsat 3.5 years is a matter of record. If ya love the
guym, vote for him but 'serve' in the military he did not. If ya think the ANG
is the USAF(as many civilians seem to think) then you are ignorant of the
military in general and the USAF specifically.

BTW-your military service??
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

Pechs,

I've flown against the 111th more than once. They're as USAF as any other
USAF squadron. They potentially get called up and go to war the same as any
other reserve unit.

GWB served in the Air Guard and was honorably discharged. He's no war hero
and never claimed to be. His opponent served in the Navy, got honorably
discharged and does claim to be a war hero and despite the decorations,
appears not to be (although admittedly did see combat and got the splinters
to prove it).

Essentially, their service doesn't matter much. It's their conduct after
the war with regard to decisions and policy that does matter.

If you like Kerry more, that's your business, but serving in the Air Guard
or reserves is still serving until defined otherwise by the government.

One man's good deal is not another man's bad deal.

--Woody

"Pechs1" wrote in message

NOT Bush-

A Governor in TX stated he helped GW get into the ANG.

I thought it was a speaker of the Texas House? No matter, though. One
"highly placed friend" is as good as another.

GW chose the one A/C
least likely to go to SE Asia(F-102).

IIRC, F-102s were used in SEA.

Knowing what I do of the A/C(F-102
capabilities at the time), the ANG(a flying club using USAF equipment),
ther
selection and training process of the ANG(selected for a ANG unit, get
wings,
return to that unit, not the 'unversally assignable pilot like the USAF).

I'll take your word for it.

Anybody that thinks GW 'served' his country by joining the ANG to fly ADC
F-102s is in Disneyland.

Well, my son serves in the 278th Armored Cavalry Regiment in Knoxville. I
didn't pull any strings to get him in. He did it all by himself. Is he,
also, in Disneyland?????

If he 'wanted to serve' and 'be a fighter pilot', why not join the USAF or
USN??

So only active duty guys really ever count for anything?

Bill Kambic

Mangalarga Marchador: Uma raça, uma paixão

"Pechs1" wrote in message
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NOT Bush-

A Governor in TX stated he helped GW get into the ANG. GW chose
the one A/C least likely to go to SE Asia(F-102).


The F-102 was serving in SEA at the time Bush joined the ANG.



Knowing what I do of the A/C(F-102 capabilities at the time), the
ANG(a flying club using USAF equipment), ther selection and
training process of the ANG(selected for a ANG unit, get wings,
return to that unit, not the 'unversally assignable pilot like the USAF).


You appear to know very little about those things.



Anybody that thinks GW 'served' his country by joining the ANG to
fly ADC F-102s is in Disneyland.


GWB served his country by joining the ANG and flying F-102s. That is a
fact. Those that think otherwise are simply ignorant.



If he 'wanted to serve' and 'be a fighter pilot', why not join the USAF or
USN??


Apparently because he preferred to serve as a fighter pilot by joining the
ANG, which is what he did.

"Pechs1" wrote in message
...

Big Red- President
Bush has an honorable discharge proving he fulfilled his military
commitment. Where's yours? BRBR

What 'military commitment' would that be?


The Texas ANG.



If you wish to view GW as some sort of military hero,


Nobody views GWB as any kind of military hero and he never claimed to be
one.



go right ahead but he ineptitude during hs firsat 3.5 years is a matter
of record.


Really? Well, then, it should be a simple matter for you to post that
record. Please do so.



If ya love the guym, vote for him but 'serve' in the military he did not.


GWB served in the ANG. If you think the ANG is not the military then you
know damn little about the military.



If ya think the ANG is the USAF(as many civilians seem to think) then
you are ignorant of the military in general and the USAF specifically.


Actually, it is you that has demonstrated ignorance of the military in
general and the USAF in particular.

Doug- If you like Kerry more, that's your business, but serving in the Air
Guard
or reserves is still serving until defined otherwise by the government.
BRBR

Agree but why not look at the specifics of the time and the people involved
instead of brushing this with such a wide swath?

Why did GWB join the F-102 guard instead of another type unit, the USAF or the
USN?

Why the F-102? Did have some love affair with the mission of flying intercepts
against big targets, letting loose a Genie and goin home? Did he know that of
all the A/C in the ANG and USAF inventory at the time, the F-102 was the least
likely to go to VN?


P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

Tex- Political considerations aside, the F-102s were in SEA for a period
of...gasp...ten years. BRBR

When did they go? When did they convert the F-102 to be able to carry a gun pod
and Aim-9?

Or was it the F-106?


P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

Bill- So only active duty guys really ever count for anything? BRBR

I knew 'active duty guys' that pulled strings to go to east coast squadrons
instead of west coast ones to NOT go to VN. Their actions are as suspect as
GWB.

Anybody that thinks GWB, in 1968, chose the Texas ANG to 'serve' and 'become a
fighter pilot regardless of the consequences' is ignoring the times, the
circumsyances and GWBs motivations.
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer