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Old July 21st 20, 10:17 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Tuesday, July 21, 2020 at 1:22:34 PM UTC-7, 6PK wrote:
That does not look like a Samsung Galaxy of any kind to me. Look at what appears to be knobs or antenna on top of the device?


Thats part of the phone mount used to mount the phone. if you watch some more of his videos, mainly at the start you can sometimes see him mount the phone to that holder. I use a phone case and a mount from https://www.quadlockcase.com/ to mount my phone to a ram arm coming off the panel. much cleaner and stronger hold that other mounts
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Old July 21st 20, 11:34 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 8:45:45 AM UTC-6, Waveguru wrote:
Does anyone know if a 27 crashed in Ely recently?

Boggs


In the mountains you must be ready to hammer the rudder when you run out of aileron , If your not used to this maneuver best to practice it . Secondary effect of rudder
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Old July 21st 20, 11:47 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Is close_to_terrain slope and ridge soaring unavoidable in big mountain terrain in SW USA, or can you opt out and stay 1000+AGL when using ridge, thermal, wave, and convergence lift?

I did six hours of dual close_to_terrain slope soaring at Omarama in February largely to see if the risk/benefit made sense to me in a best case scenario where all factors (aircraft,pilot,terrain,weather) are top shelf.

I understand that if you opt out of close_to_terrain soaring, you might also be opting out of the big OLC scores, and fly fewer days, but that's okay with me.
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Old July 22nd 20, 12:18 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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son_of_flubber wrote on 7/21/2020 3:47 PM:
Is close_to_terrain slope and ridge soaring unavoidable in big mountain terrain in SW USA, or can you opt out and stay 1000+AGL when using ridge, thermal, wave, and convergence lift?

I did six hours of dual close_to_terrain slope soaring at Omarama in February largely to see if the risk/benefit made sense to me in a best case scenario where all factors (aircraft,pilot,terrain,weather) are top shelf.

I understand that if you opt out of close_to_terrain soaring, you might also be opting out of the big OLC scores, and fly fewer days, but that's okay with me.


The situation we've been discussing is thermalling close to a mountain because
that's where the thermals are, with the intent of getting above the ridge and
thermalling higher. It's this need to stay in a small area (the thermal) that is
the problem: you can use figure 8s, but that often doesn't keep you in the best
lift.

Wave soaring generally doesn't put you in that situation, as the wave forms
downwind of the mountain; convergence also happens away from the mountain, so two
air masses can interact. Slope soaring usually means you have a mostly steady wind
against the slope, creating an updraft along the face of the mountain, so there is
no need to circle.

So, my experience is yes, most of the time I can stay safely away from the
mountain. The most likely time I use thermals below the mountain top is right
after launch, when I'm still low, and there aren't good thermals in the valley.

High desert pilots in the southwest US tend to fly ABOVE the mountains, but
New Zealanders (and pilots in some other mountainous areas) tend to fly AMONG the
mountains.

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Old July 22nd 20, 12:47 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Hammer the rudder...now really??
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Old July 22nd 20, 01:17 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Ridge soaring barely exists in the Great Basin and most of western US. The terrain and wind does not favor ridge soaring. Occasionally at the end of the day after the thermal die we can extend the flight a little using ridge soaring. And even then it does not require hugging the terrain. These sort of crashes unfortunately happen when pilots get low below the terrain scratching for thermals or at the beginning of the day when looking for thermals near ridges. Usually it is not needed to get too close to terrain as the lift a little further is often better and easier to work. How close is too close depends on many factors.

Ramy
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Old July 22nd 20, 02:47 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Andreas Maurer[_2_]
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On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:22:32 -0700 (PDT), 6PK
wrote:

That does not look like a Samsung Galaxy of any kind to me. Look at what appears to be knobs or antenna on top of the device?


It's a standard Samsung S5, S6 or S7.
Perfectly readable in sunlight,

Cheers
Andreas
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Old July 22nd 20, 11:57 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Tuesday, July 21, 2020 at 7:47:54 PM UTC-4, 6PK wrote:
Hammer the rudder...now really??


It would explain some mysteries...

T8
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Old July 22nd 20, 03:17 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Not a physical hammer
But a firm and quick response with ones foot to overcome running out of aileron

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Old July 22nd 20, 03:29 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Wednesday, July 22, 2020 at 3:17:55 PM UTC+1, Hightime wrote:
Not a physical hammer
But a firm and quick response with ones foot to overcome running out of aileron


....but only if you are sure that you have sufficient angle of attack reserve or are simultaneously controlling it
 




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