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On Friday, June 7, 2019 at 10:15:14 AM UTC-7, danlj wrote:
Another news story
https://m.newstimes.com/local/articl...photo-17611397

And the homeowner complaints sounds like a mental anguish lawsuit is brewing.... Sigh.

I agree with 5Z. From the first reporting from the scene, I detected that drift.

I hope I'm wrong.

Lou

In situations like this, I always want to hear from whoever sign this guy off. People that are new to our sport depend on those with experience to tell them what they need to know about outlanding, patterns, stalls and spins, and such. We don't do anybody any good teaching to the minimums. Motorgliders are not power planes! Where did he get his training? What is his flight history? Soartech, do you have anymore input for us?

Boggs

On Friday, June 7, 2019 at 12:05:01 PM UTC-7, 5Z wrote:
On Friday, June 7, 2019 at 10:15:14 AM UTC-7, danlj wrote:
Another news story
https://m.newstimes.com/local/articl...photo-17611397

And the homeowner complaints sounds like a mental anguish lawsuit is brewing.... Sigh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZUm2BYP_P4

Good lesson for anyone. Stress causes reactions others may not understand. Both the Dip **** pilot (doesn't he have ballistic chute, properly trained...) was shook up and stressed as was the family. I can understand why the pilot was only caring about his glasses, he was rattled and may have had his little brain slammed against his thick skull. Little kids are frightened by many things, so are big kids. So don't judge )

On Sunday, June 9, 2019 at 2:23:49 PM UTC-4, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
On Friday, June 7, 2019 at 12:05:01 PM UTC-7, 5Z wrote:
On Friday, June 7, 2019 at 10:15:14 AM UTC-7, danlj wrote:
Another news story
https://m.newstimes.com/local/articl...photo-17611397

And the homeowner complaints sounds like a mental anguish lawsuit is brewing.... Sigh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZUm2BYP_P4

Good lesson for anyone. Stress causes reactions others may not understand. Both the Dip **** pilot (doesn't he have ballistic chute, properly trained...) was shook up and stressed as was the family. I can understand why the pilot was only caring about his glasses, he was rattled and may have had his little brain slammed against his thick skull. Little kids are frightened by many things, so are big kids. So don't judge )

Calling the pilot a Dip **** and then Saying " So don't judge" makes you sound like a Dip ****!

There's two kinds of failed final glides:

1. Pilot continues until out of options and puts glider into bad place - or botches low approach at fixated destination.

2. Pilot decides insufficient margin and either selects good field or heads to landable terrain that can be reached at height allowing field selection and acceptable circuit.

With sustainers it's more complicated and we are learning that remaining battery capacity can be uncertain. The gas powered folks have long had their problems.

If you have a sustainer or SL, and are uncertain whether it will get you all the way back, you might want to consider climbing until the fuel or volts are depleted and then seeing where you can get from that height.

On Sunday, June 9, 2019 at 4:16:19 PM UTC-7, Ken wrote:
On Sunday, June 9, 2019 at 2:23:49 PM UTC-4, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
On Friday, June 7, 2019 at 12:05:01 PM UTC-7, 5Z wrote:
On Friday, June 7, 2019 at 10:15:14 AM UTC-7, danlj wrote:
Another news story
https://m.newstimes.com/local/articl...photo-17611397

And the homeowner complaints sounds like a mental anguish lawsuit is brewing.... Sigh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZUm2BYP_P4

Good lesson for anyone. Stress causes reactions others may not understand. Both the Dip **** pilot (doesn't he have ballistic chute, properly trained...) was shook up and stressed as was the family. I can understand why the pilot was only caring about his glasses, he was rattled and may have had his little brain slammed against his thick skull. Little kids are frightened by many things, so are big kids. So don't judge )

Calling the pilot a Dip **** and then Saying " So don't judge" makes you sound like a Dip ****!

Sigh, satire is lost for the literal and the limited. I am not the one who lawn darted a glider with ballistic chute into a house with kids. Pilots will forever be critical of fellow "pilots" who make stupid mistakes. Obviously my comments about not judging actions of other was after the post crash behavior. You are judging me, how does it feel?

On Sunday, June 9, 2019 at 4:16:19 PM UTC-7, Ken wrote:
On Sunday, June 9, 2019 at 2:23:49 PM UTC-4, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
On Friday, June 7, 2019 at 12:05:01 PM UTC-7, 5Z wrote:
On Friday, June 7, 2019 at 10:15:14 AM UTC-7, danlj wrote:
Another news story
https://m.newstimes.com/local/articl...photo-17611397

And the homeowner complaints sounds like a mental anguish lawsuit is brewing.... Sigh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZUm2BYP_P4

Good lesson for anyone. Stress causes reactions others may not understand. Both the Dip **** pilot (doesn't he have ballistic chute, properly trained...) was shook up and stressed as was the family. I can understand why the pilot was only caring about his glasses, he was rattled and may have had his little brain slammed against his thick skull. Little kids are frightened by many things, so are big kids. So don't judge )

Calling the pilot a Dip **** and then Saying " So don't judge" makes you sound like a Dip ****!

Dear Ken, humor might not be your strong suit. Both irony and satire are forms of humor lost too many. Have a nice day good sir. And remember don't judge

On Sunday, June 9, 2019 at 12:23:49 PM UTC-6, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
On Friday, June 7, 2019 at 12:05:01 PM UTC-7, 5Z wrote:
On Friday, June 7, 2019 at 10:15:14 AM UTC-7, danlj wrote:
Another news story
https://m.newstimes.com/local/articl...photo-17611397

And the homeowner complaints sounds like a mental anguish lawsuit is brewing.... Sigh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZUm2BYP_P4

Good lesson for anyone. Stress causes reactions others may not understand. Both the Dip **** pilot (doesn't he have ballistic chute, properly trained...) was shook up and stressed as was the family. I can understand why the pilot was only caring about his glasses, he was rattled and may have had his little brain slammed against his thick skull. Little kids are frightened by many things, so are big kids. So don't judge )

Some people can't understand what they read. Others don't pay attention to what they read. Others just don't bother to read. Earlier in the thread we have this bit of information:

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 5:15:41 PM UTC-6, Soartech wrote:
I know the pilot. We took off at separate airports but decided to meet in Vermont. We had just completed the flight to VT but a massive, dark, high cloud deck moved in rapidly making it nearly impossible to get back without him using lots of battery. This is a rare situation so he had no experience on the low end of the charge curve. He said the battery gauge had 18 minutes left. In the pattern he hit sink behind a ridge and needed more altitude. Attempted to power up but he said the motor made a strange sound as if the prop brake was ON. By then too low to use the ballistic chute. He attempted to put it into some trees but it fell out into the roof. The trees probably soaked up enough energy to save him from injury. No stall or spin. Not funny.

He states the pilot hit sink in the patter. That changes things a lot, depending on how much sink you hit. This was compounded by battery/power plant failure, as well as him being too low to use the ballistic chute. He then landed in trees, but fell out onto the roof. Sounds to me like the pilot did everything he could, and was very lucky to walk away from this. Could he have done things differently and had a better outcome? Possibly. But hindsight is 20-20. Don't be so quick to call him a "Dip **** pilot" having a "thick skull". Not cool.

On Monday, June 10, 2019 at 9:00:16 PM UTC-4, John Foster wrote:
Sounds to me like the pilot did everything he could

Hi John,

I disagree. I think this accident was 100% preventable.

What's the safe way to cross an urban area in a motor glider? Isn't it exactly the same way you cross an urban area safely in any non-motorized glider?

I pointed out earlier that the crash site is 2.7 miles from the runway intersection. He didn't even make it to what we would ordinarily describe as a (glider appropriate) landing pattern.

I agree that name calling isn't helpful... but I understand the aggravation of others. This one accident has generated more press coverage nationally than the entire balance of the sport for some years, all of it reflecting badly on us.

best,
Evan