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Old June 13th 18, 08:34 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Hi!
We are trying to get new two seater from various funds for our club. Most of the funds force to buy new glider.
Can you please help us a little bit with market research and suggest low budget two seater?
Thank you all!
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Old June 13th 18, 09:24 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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I think a new "low budget two seater" is not really existing. At the "low end" of the production two-seat gliders, you have:

PW-6U (http://www.szdjezow.com.pl/) - not sure it is still in production, relatively low performance, good for spin training.

Perkoz (http://szd.com.pl/fr/products/szd-54-2-perkoz) - in production, good performance, good for spin training, adaptable for uncertifed hand controls.

ASK-21 (https://www.alexander-schleicher.de/...gzeuge/ask-21/) - in production, relatively low performance, spin training only with special mod, adaptable for certified hand controls.

DG-1001 Club (https://www.dg-flugzeugbau.de/en/air...01/dg-1001club) - in production, good performance, good for spin training.
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Old June 13th 18, 10:49 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Thank you very much for your very useful answer Steph!

I think a new "low budget two seater" is not really existing. At the "low end" of the production two-seat gliders, you have:

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Old June 13th 18, 01:39 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On 2018/06/13 11:24, wrote:
I think a new "low budget two seater" is not really existing. At the "low end" of the production two-seat gliders, you have:

PW-6U (
http://www.szdjezow.com.pl/) - not sure it is still in production, relatively low performance, good for spin training.

Perkoz (http://szd.com.pl/fr/products/szd-54-2-perkoz) - in production, good performance, good for spin training, adaptable for uncertifed hand controls.

ASK-21 (https://www.alexander-schleicher.de/...gzeuge/ask-21/) - in production, relatively low performance, spin training only with special mod, adaptable for certified hand controls.

DG-1001 Club (https://www.dg-flugzeugbau.de/en/air...01/dg-1001club) - in production, good performance, good for spin training.

There is also the LAK20 - which is available as a pure or motorised
glider. Good performance, good handling - the 23m version would be
comparable to the Duo - though a lot cheaper...
http://lak.aviaserv.com/index.php?op...9&Item id=143
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Old June 13th 18, 08:57 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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I'm not sure the Lak-20 is still in production. The current website http://lak.lt/ only mentions the single-seaters Mini-Lak, Lak-17B and Lak-19...
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Old June 14th 18, 12:48 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Blaniks? http://home.nwi.net/~blanikam/ba/blanik.htm

PW6U still being produced =probably the cheapest new 'glass' 2 seater.

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Old June 14th 18, 08:20 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Blaniks? http://home.nwi.net/~blanikam/ba/blanik.htm

Yes, why not if they still produce L13.

PW6U still being produced =probably the cheapest new 'glass' 2 seater.


I will contact the manufacturer.

Thank you, Paul!
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Old June 14th 18, 10:48 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Contacted manufacturer, they do not produce two-seater :-(

On Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 9:57:57 PM UTC+2, wrote:
I'm not sure the Lak-20 is still in production. The current website http://lak.lt/ only mentions the single-seaters Mini-Lak, Lak-17B and Lak-19...


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Old June 15th 18, 04:09 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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PW-6U is in production.
SZD 54-2 Perkoz is in production.
Both of them are pretty good gliders.
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Old July 11th 18, 06:36 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 4:24:46 AM UTC-4, wrote:
I think a new "low budget two seater" is not really existing. At the "low end" of the production two-seat gliders, you have:

PW-6U (http://www.szdjezow.com.pl/) - not sure it is still in production, relatively low performance, good for spin training.

Perkoz (http://szd.com.pl/fr/products/szd-54-2-perkoz) - in production, good performance, good for spin training, adaptable for uncertifed hand controls.

ASK-21 (https://www.alexander-schleicher.de/...gzeuge/ask-21/) - in production, relatively low performance, spin training only with special mod, adaptable for certified hand controls.

DG-1001 Club (https://www.dg-flugzeugbau.de/en/air...01/dg-1001club) - in production, good performance, good for spin training.


At ~$80kEURO (plus trailer, shipping and instruments) the Perkoz is the closest thing there is to a "low budget two-seater" these days. The next best option IMHO is the DG-1001 Club Nuo with a fixed gear and similarly the K-21. While non of these are cheap, a handful of clubs have looked at their aging fleet and ponied up to buy one or two new ships while the dollar is relatively strong. Plan for the future. Consider who your new customers will be and what they're looking for in a fleet. So far, anecdotally at least, clubs who recently purchased K-21's have no regrets and are seeing high utilization rates. The next major challenge to growth and retention is the lack of instructors, especially instructors qualified to instruct advanced concepts such as dual XC.

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