Airspeed of military planes

Bingo, the first fully explained and correct answer. Thanks Darrell.

I'm surprised the Hustler flew so slow low level. I just always assumed
since it was such a hotass machine that it flew faster. We planned/flew the
Bone at 560 KTAS/.8Mach.

For the original poster, the B-1B, for example, flies downwind in the
pattern at 270 KIAS. That's the top of the range (IIRC) given in the "Dash
One" and is what we always flew while I was flying from '86-'97.

Cheers,

JB

"Darrell" wrote in message
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If the "Dash One" manual for the military airplane specifies a speed
higher
than 250 below 10,000' it's OK to fly that fast. In the B-58 Hustler,
after
takeoff we came out of afterburners at 350 KIAS and climbed at 425 KIAS
until reaching Mach .90 for climb speed. That's why other aircraft try
to
stay clear of military climb corridors. We flew low level routes at 435
KIAS except for the high speed portion where we flew at 600 KIAS. (and
that's back in the 1960s)

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"Tetsuji Rai" wrote in message
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Airspeed limitation below 10000ft is usually 250kts unless you have been
authorized by the Administrator. However I guess it's a bit slow for
military fighters. So I am curious how fast military fighters fly in
the
real world. I guess it's very dangerous military aircraft fly much
fast
among civilian planes.

"Darkwing Duck" wrote in message
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"Tetsuji Rai" wrote in message
s.com...
Airspeed limitation below 10000ft is usually 250kts unless you have been
authorized by the Administrator. However I guess it's a bit slow for
military fighters. So I am curious how fast military fighters fly in
the
real world. I guess it's very dangerous military aircraft fly much
fast
among civilian planes.



So how fast is short final in a F-14 or whatever? Always wanted to know.

B-1B final is approx 155 +/- depending on weight.

JB

"BTIZ"

wrote:where is Iron Mountain.. I'm thinking the Upper Peninsula of Michigan?

Yes. It wasn't near any AFBs.

Coulda been above him......we don't know anymore today.

Thx,
VL

Peter Hovorka wrote:

Also in germany. 250kt below FL 100 except for planes which need to be
flown faster.

Probably the same in most ICAO-States? At least it's the same in
Switzerland as well.

Nozzles aft, Harrier approach speed will be in the 155kt +/-range. At 20
nozzles and auto flaps(normal for IFR final), you're somewhat slower but to
be honest I don't recall the airspeed because my primary reference was
always AoA. Depending on the type of landing you intend to make, once
you're in the visual environment, you transition to a higher nozzle angle
(60-75 depending...), and in some instances, STOL flaps where the flaps
program automatically as a function of nozzle angle. "On speed" for a
fixed-nozzle slow landing is around 110kts. The *very* slow rolling
landings you occasionaly see are called rolling vertical landings -- 60 kts
ground speed is the target but the transition to that speed will usually be
over the runway, not on approach final.

"Darkwing Duck" wrote in message
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"Tetsuji Rai" wrote in message
s.com...
Airspeed limitation below 10000ft is usually 250kts unless you have been
authorized by the Administrator. However I guess it's a bit slow for
military fighters. So I am curious how fast military fighters fly in
the
real world. I guess it's very dangerous military aircraft fly much
fast
among civilian planes.



So how fast is short final in a F-14 or whatever? Always wanted to know.

"IBM" wrote in message
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Back in 1968 my dad took us to Disneyland.
We flew in to LAX and had some time before the bus left for our
hotel.
I wandered along outside the terminal and was watching the aircraft.
Saw a 747 in action for the first time. I figured it was taxiing into
position ... then it rotated.


I think your family trip was a bit later than that. First flight of the
B747 was February 9, 1969, it entered service in January 1970.

"MLenoch" wrote in message
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wrote:where is Iron Mountain.. I'm thinking the Upper Peninsula of
Michigan?

Yes. It wasn't near any AFBs.


I suppose that depends on when this happened and how you define "near".
Iron Mountain is about 44 miles southwest of the former K.I. Sawyer AFB.

You're right Frijoles, in the Bone the correct answer for "What airspeed do
you fly on final" is "I don't know/care. I'm flying 7 AoA as required by
the Dash One". There is however, a chart of airspeed and gross weights that
every pilot has and, IAW the Landing Checklist, every final must have an
airspeed computed.

JB

"Frijoles" wrote in message
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Nozzles aft, Harrier approach speed will be in the 155kt +/-range. At 20
nozzles and auto flaps(normal for IFR final), you're somewhat slower but
to
be honest I don't recall the airspeed because my primary reference was
always AoA. Depending on the type of landing you intend to make, once
you're in the visual environment, you transition to a higher nozzle angle
(60-75 depending...), and in some instances, STOL flaps where the flaps
program automatically as a function of nozzle angle. "On speed" for a
fixed-nozzle slow landing is around 110kts. The *very* slow rolling
landings you occasionaly see are called rolling vertical landings -- 60
kts
ground speed is the target but the transition to that speed will usually
be
over the runway, not on approach final.

"Darkwing Duck" wrote in message
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"Tetsuji Rai" wrote in message
s.com...
Airspeed limitation below 10000ft is usually 250kts unless you have
been
authorized by the Administrator. However I guess it's a bit slow for
military fighters. So I am curious how fast military fighters fly in
the
real world. I guess it's very dangerous military aircraft fly much
fast
among civilian planes.



So how fast is short final in a F-14 or whatever? Always wanted to know.

That sounds "near enough" to me..

BT

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"MLenoch" wrote in message
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wrote:where is Iron Mountain.. I'm thinking the Upper Peninsula of
Michigan?

Yes. It wasn't near any AFBs.


I suppose that depends on when this happened and how you define "near".
Iron Mountain is about 44 miles southwest of the former K.I. Sawyer AFB.

"Jim Baker" wrote

You're right Frijoles, in the Bone the correct answer for "What airspeed do
you fly on final" is "I don't know/care. I'm flying 7 AoA as required by
the Dash One".

Is the AOA indicator a piece of string like Wilbur and Orville had?

There is however, a chart of airspeed and gross weights that
every pilot has and, IAW the Landing Checklist, every final must have an
airspeed computed.

That's in case the AOA indicator goes T.U. :-)