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Logging x/c time and definition of landing
Howdy,
I was reading a short article on AOPA regarding logging x/c time. By definition, cross-country time includes any flight with a landing at any airport other than the departure airport; there is no distance requirement. Reference: FAR 61.1(b)(3) Of course, the catch is that: To meet the requirements (except rotorcraft) for a private certificate, a commercial certificate, and the instrument rating (except instrument-helicopter), cross-country time requires a landing at least 50 nm from the point of departure. FAR 61.1(b)(3)(ii) Since I will probably go for an instrument rating soon, and then commercial, should I indeed refrain from logging ALL flights with a landing at an airport other than the departure airport in the x/c column, regardless of distance? For instance, I can't do touch and go's at my home airport (HNL), and have to go to a nearby Class D airport to shoot landings. The destination airport is definitely within 50 nm of HNL. Technically, these flights count as x/c, even though I've never logged them as such. Likewise, I've flown to airports only 47 nm away. What do you guys/gals do? I guess it would depend on whether or not you're persuing additional ratings. Another question would be: what qualifies as a landing? A touch and go is a landing, from experience. What about touching one wheel, applying full power, and climbing away never to be seen again? Would that count as a "landing"? Alex |
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In 20+ years, I've only logged flights over 50 nm (from T.O. to landing)
as cross country. Makes the record keeping easier. Rip Koopas Ly wrote: Howdy, I was reading a short article on AOPA regarding logging x/c time. By definition, cross-country time includes any flight with a landing at any airport other than the departure airport; there is no distance requirement. Reference: FAR 61.1(b)(3) Of course, the catch is that: To meet the requirements (except rotorcraft) for a private certificate, a commercial certificate, and the instrument rating (except instrument-helicopter), cross-country time requires a landing at least 50 nm from the point of departure. FAR 61.1(b)(3)(ii) Since I will probably go for an instrument rating soon, and then commercial, should I indeed refrain from logging ALL flights with a landing at an airport other than the departure airport in the x/c column, regardless of distance? For instance, I can't do touch and go's at my home airport (HNL), and have to go to a nearby Class D airport to shoot landings. The destination airport is definitely within 50 nm of HNL. Technically, these flights count as x/c, even though I've never logged them as such. Likewise, I've flown to airports only 47 nm away. What do you guys/gals do? I guess it would depend on whether or not you're persuing additional ratings. Another question would be: what qualifies as a landing? A touch and go is a landing, from experience. What about touching one wheel, applying full power, and climbing away never to be seen again? Would that count as a "landing"? Alex |
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If its not 50 miles, then its not XC for the purpose of the ratings that
require XC defined by the distance of 50 miles.. Wether you land or not makes no difference if its under 50. I would log every flight you make, so you can use the time to your advantage. Instead of flying up to Dillinham all the time, why dont you grab a life jacket and do some island hopping to build up your XC time? I would LOVE to live back over there in the islands and go flying around there all the time. Dave Koopas Ly wrote: Howdy, I was reading a short article on AOPA regarding logging x/c time. By definition, cross-country time includes any flight with a landing at any airport other than the departure airport; there is no distance requirement. Reference: FAR 61.1(b)(3) Of course, the catch is that: To meet the requirements (except rotorcraft) for a private certificate, a commercial certificate, and the instrument rating (except instrument-helicopter), cross-country time requires a landing at least 50 nm from the point of departure. FAR 61.1(b)(3)(ii) Since I will probably go for an instrument rating soon, and then commercial, should I indeed refrain from logging ALL flights with a landing at an airport other than the departure airport in the x/c column, regardless of distance? For instance, I can't do touch and go's at my home airport (HNL), and have to go to a nearby Class D airport to shoot landings. The destination airport is definitely within 50 nm of HNL. Technically, these flights count as x/c, even though I've never logged them as such. Likewise, I've flown to airports only 47 nm away. What do you guys/gals do? I guess it would depend on whether or not you're persuing additional ratings. Another question would be: what qualifies as a landing? A touch and go is a landing, from experience. What about touching one wheel, applying full power, and climbing away never to be seen again? Would that count as a "landing"? Alex |
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As best I can tell the "any airports a cross-country" is only useful for
qualifying for Part 135 PIC (and I guess Part 121 - never looked). So if you plan to want to meet the 1200TT, 500XC for Part 135, start tracking. If you plan to do much flying at all, get an electronic logbook. Insurance companies, the FAA, employers all want time tracked in different and byzantine ways and a paper logbook will never keep up, you'll always have to go back and add up the numbers of hours you have in complex, high performance aircraft within the past 90, 180 and 2000 days, or high performance seaplane landings at night. Mat -- Matthew Waugh Comm. SEL MEL, CFI-AI http://home.nc.rr.com/mwaugh/learn2fly/index.htm "Koopas Ly" wrote in message om... Howdy, I was reading a short article on AOPA regarding logging x/c time. By definition, cross-country time includes any flight with a landing at any airport other than the departure airport; there is no distance requirement. Reference: FAR 61.1(b)(3) Of course, the catch is that: To meet the requirements (except rotorcraft) for a private certificate, a commercial certificate, and the instrument rating (except instrument-helicopter), cross-country time requires a landing at least 50 nm from the point of departure. FAR 61.1(b)(3)(ii) Since I will probably go for an instrument rating soon, and then commercial, should I indeed refrain from logging ALL flights with a landing at an airport other than the departure airport in the x/c column, regardless of distance? For instance, I can't do touch and go's at my home airport (HNL), and have to go to a nearby Class D airport to shoot landings. The destination airport is definitely within 50 nm of HNL. Technically, these flights count as x/c, even though I've never logged them as such. Likewise, I've flown to airports only 47 nm away. What do you guys/gals do? I guess it would depend on whether or not you're persuing additional ratings. Another question would be: what qualifies as a landing? A touch and go is a landing, from experience. What about touching one wheel, applying full power, and climbing away never to be seen again? Would that count as a "landing"? Alex |
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I only log the sojourns to other airports as x-c if they are at least 50nm
from my starting point... I can hit 3 airports on the way to the distant 50nm airport.. and count it all.. if I turn back early,, or never land (T/G) at the 50nm airport.. it don't count.. that way there are not any extraneous entries to "not add up" when computing the requirement for additional ratings.. as far as the one wheel touch on a T/G.. I think it would count.. you did alight one wheel to the ground.. by the same token, can you count a journey to a distant lake bed and landing there as a cross country? It is not a designated "airport" or "landing area" by any official governing entity. yes you can BT "Koopas Ly" wrote in message om... Howdy, I was reading a short article on AOPA regarding logging x/c time. By definition, cross-country time includes any flight with a landing at any airport other than the departure airport; there is no distance requirement. Reference: FAR 61.1(b)(3) Of course, the catch is that: To meet the requirements (except rotorcraft) for a private certificate, a commercial certificate, and the instrument rating (except instrument-helicopter), cross-country time requires a landing at least 50 nm from the point of departure. FAR 61.1(b)(3)(ii) Since I will probably go for an instrument rating soon, and then commercial, should I indeed refrain from logging ALL flights with a landing at an airport other than the departure airport in the x/c column, regardless of distance? For instance, I can't do touch and go's at my home airport (HNL), and have to go to a nearby Class D airport to shoot landings. The destination airport is definitely within 50 nm of HNL. Technically, these flights count as x/c, even though I've never logged them as such. Likewise, I've flown to airports only 47 nm away. What do you guys/gals do? I guess it would depend on whether or not you're persuing additional ratings. Another question would be: what qualifies as a landing? A touch and go is a landing, from experience. What about touching one wheel, applying full power, and climbing away never to be seen again? Would that count as a "landing"? Alex |
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I did not notice the HNL remark before.. there are special considerations
for x-c in the islands.. check that out.. also.. a flight around the island may not count as x-c.. for us "main landers" its the straight line shot to the distant airport that counts.. not the zig-zag path we may take to get there. BT "Koopas Ly" wrote in message om... Howdy, I was reading a short article on AOPA regarding logging x/c time. By definition, cross-country time includes any flight with a landing at any airport other than the departure airport; there is no distance requirement. Reference: FAR 61.1(b)(3) Of course, the catch is that: To meet the requirements (except rotorcraft) for a private certificate, a commercial certificate, and the instrument rating (except instrument-helicopter), cross-country time requires a landing at least 50 nm from the point of departure. FAR 61.1(b)(3)(ii) Since I will probably go for an instrument rating soon, and then commercial, should I indeed refrain from logging ALL flights with a landing at an airport other than the departure airport in the x/c column, regardless of distance? For instance, I can't do touch and go's at my home airport (HNL), and have to go to a nearby Class D airport to shoot landings. The destination airport is definitely within 50 nm of HNL. Technically, these flights count as x/c, even though I've never logged them as such. Likewise, I've flown to airports only 47 nm away. What do you guys/gals do? I guess it would depend on whether or not you're persuing additional ratings. Another question would be: what qualifies as a landing? A touch and go is a landing, from experience. What about touching one wheel, applying full power, and climbing away never to be seen again? Would that count as a "landing"? Alex |
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Let's throw in another wrinkle... Suppose you take off from the home drome, fly an hour in one direction, look at something on the ground, turn around, fly back and land at the home drome. Your round trip flight has been 240 nm, but you did not land anywhere else. Is this a cross country flight? |
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Koopas Ly wrote: What do you guys/gals do? I guess it would depend on whether or not you're persuing additional ratings. I log a flight as cross-country only if the destination is at least 50 miles away. George Patterson A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something that can be learned no other way. |
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"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:eJzwb.6346$ML6.6187@fed1read01... I did not notice the HNL remark before.. there are special considerations for x-c in the islands.. check that out.. Those are only considerations for the primary ratings. For instrument and commercial ratings, normal XC regulations apply. Pete |
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