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Surviving Flight Recorder Power Failures
At a recent contest we got to talking about powering flight recorders
(and computers, etc) and how to survive a mid-flight power failure and still get a log file. There are a couple of lines of thought. 1) Don't worry about it. The systems are pretty good these days and if you wire things up right you won't have a failure. 2) Use two batteries with an A/B switch. This requires the recorder to be able to survive the failure until you flip the switch. Some can handle short power outages, others cannot. I have no test data to suggest how long of an outage they can handle while a good battery is switched in. 3) Place a separate backup battery on the recorder itself. Many recorders have that feature. If this is a computer you may loose functionality (vario, moving map) while retaining recording. While my experience fall into #1, I am currently using #2 and thinking about #3. What are your thoughts? Thanks, John |
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Battery A/B switches are very old old old school. If you have two or
more batteries for your avionics, eliminate the switches and use a low voltage drop diode on each battery. This set up will always pull from the best battery. In the event you have a melt down in between the batteries and the recorder then having an additional battery of some sort wired to the recorder with another diode is a good option. The CAI 302 provides for this feature as part of it's design. ContestID67 wrote: At a recent contest we got to talking about powering flight recorders (and computers, etc) and how to survive a mid-flight power failure and still get a log file. There are a couple of lines of thought. 1) Don't worry about it. The systems are pretty good these days and if you wire things up right you won't have a failure. 2) Use two batteries with an A/B switch. This requires the recorder to be able to survive the failure until you flip the switch. Some can handle short power outages, others cannot. I have no test data to suggest how long of an outage they can handle while a good battery is switched in. 3) Place a separate backup battery on the recorder itself. Many recorders have that feature. If this is a computer you may loose functionality (vario, moving map) while retaining recording. While my experience fall into #1, I am currently using #2 and thinking about #3. What are your thoughts? Thanks, John |
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If you are using a volkslogger you must ensure you can power down the
VL so at power up it will go into PC mode for a few seconds. This allows you to load a declaration or task from a program such as Winpilot into the VL. |
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I agree that a couple of diodes are the way to go to place the
batteries in parallel without allowing one battery to cause problems with the other. However the key is the voltage drop which is typically 0.6vdc for a power diode. Do you have a specific diode number that you have been using? I am using a 302. I could have a separate battery for recorder backup but I would rather come up with a more generic solution for everyone that powers everything. |
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I think the diode idea is a poor way to go unless there is full time
monitoring of both of both/all batteries. If one battery goes bad the other will be discharged before you know you have a problem. This solution offers no more redundancy than a single battery with twice the capacity. With switched batteries the pilot has the option to minimize current draw to conserve the second battery for essential equipment. Short term power loss does not invalidate the flight log. With a 302 the ideal solution is probably 2 switched main batteries and a backup battery (factory option) for the 302 only. I'm wired for 3 switched batteries but am only using 2. Andy |
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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 09:37:07 -0700, ContestID67 wrote:
I agree that a couple of diodes are the way to go to place the batteries in parallel without allowing one battery to cause problems with the other. However the key is the voltage drop which is typically 0.6vdc for a power diode. Do you have a specific diode number that you have been using? I used two IN5817's. I only use these to power a Volkslogger. The rest of the panel is still controlled via "A/B" switches. These are rectifying diodes with low forward voltage drop, especially at low currents. In my setup I think I loose less than 0.2V but it is tricky to measure. These are small diodes with a Max current rating of about 1A. I don't think that you could power your whole panel through them. (Google should find you a data sheet). Having the switches for the heavy current items (transponder etc) is useful. It is very difficult to test the health of a battery on the ground. So you normally only discover that the battery is not up to scratch when it dies while you are flying. At this stage it is nice to be able to switch over to battery B. Ian |
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How about cheap handheld GPS + cheap handheld PDA + SW for a completely
separate, fully redundant system? Cost about $400. "ContestID67" wrote in message oups.com... At a recent contest we got to talking about powering flight recorders (and computers, etc) and how to survive a mid-flight power failure and still get a log file. There are a couple of lines of thought. 1) Don't worry about it. The systems are pretty good these days and if you wire things up right you won't have a failure. 2) Use two batteries with an A/B switch. This requires the recorder to be able to survive the failure until you flip the switch. Some can handle short power outages, others cannot. I have no test data to suggest how long of an outage they can handle while a good battery is switched in. 3) Place a separate backup battery on the recorder itself. Many recorders have that feature. If this is a computer you may loose functionality (vario, moving map) while retaining recording. While my experience fall into #1, I am currently using #2 and thinking about #3. What are your thoughts? Thanks, John |
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One of the main points is to protect the recorder so that you retain
your all important log file. While what you propose will get you back home, it won't produce a valid FAI log file. |
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I think there have only been a small handful of failures out there so
far. If the electrical system is clean and put together well, then the chance of a failure is probably too remote to worry about. FAI and contests allow for a gap of several minutes, so a simple switch for dual batteries is good enough if you're worried about the battry running out on you - or you forget to charge one. A simple A/B setup takes care of the most obvious situation of leaving the master switch on overnight and running a battery down. The second one is hopefully still full. -Tom |
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In article .com, 5Z writes I think there have only been a small handful of failures out there so far. If the electrical system is clean and put together well, then the chance of a failure is probably too remote to worry about. FAI and contests allow for a gap of several minutes, so a simple switch for dual batteries is good enough if you're worried about the battry running out on you - or you forget to charge one. As you say, most recorders will only start a new file after power has been removed for about 5 minutes, which is provided for in the current FR Specification. However some earlier recorder, the Volkslogger for example, were designed before this provision was written in, and will always start a new file after a power-down, regardless of duration. Even then, if it is 'beyond reasonable doubt' that there was no intermediate landing, more than one file may be accepted. Tim Newport-Peace "Indecision is the Key to Flexibility." |
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