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homebuilt +/- 1350 lbs gross?
After due examination of mission, the Europa (see
www.europa-aircraft.com) is my ideal plane. Following inspection of budget, it seems too expensive; even if the sterling/euro rate became more favourable. What other homebuilts are around with a grossweight of 1300-1400 pounds, and accepting a 100-120 hp engine? Both kits and plans-built can be considered. European roots an advantage. TIA, KA |
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homebuilt +/- 1350 lbs gross?
jan olieslagers wrote:
After due examination of mission, the Europa (see www.europa-aircraft.com) is my ideal plane. Following inspection of budget, it seems too expensive; even if the sterling/euro rate became more favourable. What other homebuilts are around with a grossweight of 1300-1400 pounds, and accepting a 100-120 hp engine? Both kits and plans-built can be considered. European roots an advantage. Don't know how it compares in price (after currency conversion) but the Arion Lightning ( http://www.flylightning.net/ ) meets the gross weight and HP range (and is a low wing composite like the Europa). It's American, though. |
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:36:51 +0000, jan olieslagers
wrote: After due examination of mission, the Europa (see www.europa-aircraft.com) is my ideal plane. Following inspection of budget, it seems too expensive; even if the sterling/euro rate became more favourable. What other homebuilts are around with a grossweight of 1300-1400 pounds, and accepting a 100-120 hp engine? Both kits and plans-built can be considered. European roots an advantage. TIA, KA Tapanee Aviation's Pegazair is a 1450 lb Utility Category, 1550 lb Normal category 2 seater designed around 85-115HP. Empty weight with a Continental O200 is 815 lb. Kit or plans Rag and tube fuselage and all aluminum flying surfaces. |
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homebuilt +/- 1350 lbs gross?
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:36:51 +0000, jan olieslagers
wrote: After due examination of mission, the Europa (see www.europa-aircraft.com) is my ideal plane. Following inspection of budget, it seems too expensive; even if the sterling/euro rate became more favourable. What other homebuilts are around with a grossweight of 1300-1400 pounds, and accepting a 100-120 hp engine? Both kits and plans-built can be considered. European roots an advantage. TIA, KA My brother and I are engaged (more or less) in the building of a Murphy Rebel which we will register so as to fly light sport. The Rebel was designed to be a 1650 gross weight machine, but with attention to keeping things light we believe that we can keep the empty weight at 750 pounds, more or less.(mostly more) That will give us a payload of 570 pounds. For comparison, the Cessna LSA model is projected to be about 800 pounds. Give or take. The biggest problem with this is the choice of engine. The Rotax 912 is the most recommended engine to do what we intend. It is 100 hp, and I think the installed weight is around 150 pounds. The Continental O-200 is heaver, at somewhere around 210, and is still 100 hp. The Lyc O-233 shown at OSH this year is supposed to make 116 hp at 2800 rpm. And it is supposed to weight in at 200 pounds. And burn auto fuel. That would be my choice, if the engine is on the market when we are ready for one. Zenith CH-300 Driver. |
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homebuilt +/- 1350 lbs gross?
If you don't consider one of the Jodel line,you could be overlooking a
winner. One a bit lighter is the Menestrel ll,both wood designs.Emmeraude should also be included. |
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On Nov 19, 5:57*am, Griff wrote:
If you don't consider one of the Jodel line,you could be overlooking a winner. One a bit lighter is the Menestrel ll,both wood designs.Emmeraude should also be included. The Emeraude definitely fits the mission. Easily built within the weight limits with a Cont. 100, even a Lyc. O-235 powered bird can come in close to 800#. You can also build a monster with hydraulic canopy lift, air conditioning, and espresso bar that'll run 1300# empty! For more info, try: http://www.airbum.com/pireps/PirepEmeraude.html http://asia.groups.yahoo.com/group/Emerauders/ Rich S. |
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homebuilt +/- 1350 lbs gross?
jan olieslagers schreef:
After due examination of mission, the Europa (see www.europa-aircraft.com) is my ideal plane. Following inspection of budget, it seems too expensive; even if the sterling/euro rate became more favourable. What other homebuilts are around with a grossweight of 1300-1400 pounds, and accepting a 100-120 hp engine? Both kits and plans-built can be considered. European roots an advantage. Thanks to all who replied, I learned quite a few things. And I must apologise for not describing the mission: this must be a tourer, with good range above all and a fair cruising speed a close second. Third come fuel economy and engine reliability. That said the Europa seems unbeatable, achieving 200 mph cruise on a 100HP Rotax 912S. -) the Avion Lightning is one I never heard of. But even with 120 HP it only manages 150-170 mph cruise? -) the Jodel's are in another class, they were never meant for more than +/- 60 HP and perform accordingly -) The Emeraude is one I should have thought of, and will be looking into; like the Menestrel I didn't know yet. Wood construction certainly has an appeal for me. -) Pegazair and Rebel are STOL/bush planes, don't fit the mission. All this being said, can we discuss engine choice? In the 80-100 HP range, Lycosaurs seem unfit given their high fuel burn. Rotax seems the obvious choice, they're widely available and not excessively expensive. A diesel would be nice for its low fuel burn and good performance at altitude, but those designed for aviation (Wilksch, SMA, Delta Hawk, Dair...) are rare and expensive, while car conversions are heavy and too complex for my limited mechanical ability. Best compromise seems a Rotax 914, its turbo should much improve altitude performance, but don't see many of these around either...? Thanks again for thinking along! KA |
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jan olieslagers wrote:
jan olieslagers schreef: After due examination of mission, the Europa (see www.europa-aircraft.com) is my ideal plane. .... That said the Europa seems unbeatable, achieving 200 mph cruise on a 100HP Rotax 912S. .... Um, according to the web site you provided, at 8000 ft and 75% power, the 912S achieves 155 mph TAS, not 200 mph TAS. The 200 mph is with a different (much more expensive) engine at a higher altitude. -) the Avion Lightning is one I never heard of. But even with 120 HP it only manages 150-170 mph cruise? I suspect that the 914 would have similar speeds at the quoted 8000 ft altitude and 75% power fraction. If you are going to fly high, then a turbo would probably be appropriate. And the Arion Lightning isn't the slouch you think it is: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=49642 Note the Lightning was traveling at 185 mph TAS at a DA of 3840 ft. Also note that in the U.S., at least, a Rotax 914 costs ~US$28000 while a Jabiru 3300 costs ~US$15500: http://www.rotaxservice.com/rotax_en...otax_914UL.htm http://www.jabirupacific.com/ Not sure what the cost difference is like in Europe. You can buy a lot of fuel for that extra ~US$12500. Probably well over 400 flight hours of fuel. All this being said, can we discuss engine choice? In the 80-100 HP range, Lycosaurs seem unfit given their high fuel burn. Rotax seems the obvious choice, they're widely available and not excessively expensive. In the U.S. at least, Rotax engines have become expensive. Best compromise seems a Rotax 914, its turbo should much improve altitude performance, but don't see many of these around either...? Probably because turbos costs a lot not only to buy, but to maintain. |
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Jim Logajan schreef:
jan olieslagers wrote: ... That said the Europa seems unbeatable, achieving 200 mph cruise on a 100HP Rotax 912S. ... Um, according to the web site you provided, at 8000 ft and 75% power, the 912S achieves 155 mph TAS, not 200 mph TAS. The 200 mph is with a different (much more expensive) engine at a higher altitude. -) the Avion Lightning is one I never heard of. But even with 120 HP it only manages 150-170 mph cruise? I suspect that the 914 would have similar speeds at the quoted 8000 ft altitude and 75% power fraction. If you are going to fly high, then a turbo would probably be appropriate. And the Arion Lightning isn't the slouch you think it is: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=49642 Note the Lightning was traveling at 185 mph TAS at a DA of 3840 ft. OK, my mistake, I was comparing apples to pears. Thanks for the correction! KA |
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