ASH25 out to kill you?

I know I’m just learning about all this but reading this about the ASH 25 really made me pause.
(I have a lot of ours on GA aircraft and moving into gliders.)

http://gliding.co.nz/wp-content/uplo...n%20Nelson.pdf

«...The consequence of moving the stick forward with force or aggressively in an Open Class glider is that you may achieve a nose down attitude from which there is no recovery...»

Even a piper meridian wouldn’t be that mean to a pilot.

Is this common place in the glider world?

I disagree, all aircrafts in the GA world have stress limitations. Excluding aerobatic types and perhaps a few others, where pilot physical limitations might be achieved first. Respect the designers limitations and live.
I seriously doubt when you fly your turboprop within 20% of its Vne you push full forward on the controls. If you do, you’ll either run out of altitude or wings.
I recommend a refresher read Wolfgang book of aeronautics. The answers you seek are all there.

R

Ive had about 30 hours in a 25. It’s certainly a ponderous beast, and it lets you know very clearly that it must be flown with a great deal of caution and respect. It successor, the 30 is nicer to fly
but needs similar respect. Ive never felt that either was trying to kill me, only that if mishandled, they could.

On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 7:52:01 AM UTC-5, ripacheco1967 wrote:
I know I’m just learning about all this but reading this about the ASH 25 really made me pause.
(I have a lot of ours on GA aircraft and moving into gliders.)

http://gliding.co.nz/wp-content/uplo...n%20Nelson.pdf

«...The consequence of moving the stick forward with force or aggressively in an Open Class glider is that you may achieve a nose down attitude from which there is no recovery...»

Even a piper meridian wouldn’t be that mean to a pilot.

Is this common place in the glider world?

Yes, they are incredibly dangerous. Please give me your ASH-25 so that you can live a long life. :-)

Steve Leonard

Oh I wish that 25 was mine. Was considering but not as a first glider by any means
Leaning towards a 27

Yes, they are incredibly dangerous. Please give me your ASH-25 so that you can live a long life. :-)

Steve Leonard

On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 9:35:29 AM UTC-7, ripacheco1967 wrote:
Oh I wish that 25 was mine. Was considering but not as a first glider by any means
Leaning towards a 27

Yes, they are incredibly dangerous. Please give me your ASH-25 so that you can live a long life. :-)

Steve Leonard

I have maybe 500 hours in open ships, there is just nothing like them. They might be slower in the run on a great day than a 15 meter bird, but when you cross mountain ranges they can reach much further or arrive in the lift band. They will stay in the air when nothing else will and perhaps a bit more care is required when flying but the legs and the ability to dolphin fly for miles and miles..... I miss my N4.

Disagree again......the point raise has nothing to do with recoveries but was written for Lawyers that all attempt is being made to educate dumb pilots not to perform ABRUPT maneuvers or flight control movement in the high speed regime. I say dumb because any airmen worth his salt knows this.
Case in point American Airlines co-pilot full rudder deflection leads to vertical stab failure killing all on board and most recently the loss of an Amazon 767 due to
excessive elevator deflection.
Vo....Maximum Operating Maneuvering Speed...the speed at which if exceeded structural failure could occur with abrupt control movement.
Vne...Never Exceed
This is basic airmen knowledge as important as blue side up and what does the rudder do. Basic

Long wing (open class) sailplanes have additional considerations, but lets hold off on that for now.
A 27 ... enjoy....read the AOM.

R

On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 1:29:49 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Disagree again......the point raise has nothing to do with recoveries but was written for Lawyers that all attempt is being made to educate dumb pilots not to perform ABRUPT maneuvers or flight control movement in the high speed regime. I say dumb because any airmen worth his salt knows this.
Case in point American Airlines co-pilot full rudder deflection leads to vertical stab failure killing all on board and most recently the loss of an Amazon 767 due to
excessive elevator deflection.
Vo....Maximum Operating Maneuvering Speed...the speed at which if exceeded structural failure could occur with abrupt control movement.
Vne...Never Exceed
This is basic airmen knowledge as important as blue side up and what does the rudder do. Basic

Long wing (open class) sailplanes have additional considerations, but lets hold off on that for now.
A 27 ... enjoy....read the AOM.

R

I like the fact is a two seater, So I can have a qualified instructor saving my behind ;-)

On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 4:38:10 PM UTC-5, ripacheco1967 wrote:
On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 1:29:49 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Disagree again......the point raise has nothing to do with recoveries but was written for Lawyers that all attempt is being made to educate dumb pilots not to perform ABRUPT maneuvers or flight control movement in the high speed regime. I say dumb because any airmen worth his salt knows this.
Case in point American Airlines co-pilot full rudder deflection leads to vertical stab failure killing all on board and most recently the loss of an Amazon 767 due to
excessive elevator deflection.
Vo....Maximum Operating Maneuvering Speed...the speed at which if exceeded structural failure could occur with abrupt control movement.
Vne...Never Exceed
This is basic airmen knowledge as important as blue side up and what does the rudder do. Basic

Long wing (open class) sailplanes have additional considerations, but lets hold off on that for now.
A 27 ... enjoy....read the AOM.

R

I like the fact is a two seater, So I can have a qualified instructor saving my behind ;-)

I am not familiar about issues with the AWS 27, care to enlighten a beginner ?

Originally Posted by [_2_]

Disagree again......the point raise has nothing to do with recoveries but was written for Lawyers that all attempt is being made to educate dumb pilots not to perform ABRUPT maneuvers or flight control movement in the high speed regime. I say dumb because any airmen worth his salt knows this.
Case in point American Airlines co-pilot full rudder deflection leads to vertical stab failure killing all on board and most recently the loss of an Amazon 767 due to
excessive elevator deflection.
Vo....Maximum Operating Maneuvering Speed...the speed at which if exceeded structural failure could occur with abrupt control movement.
Vne...Never Exceed
This is basic airmen knowledge as important as blue side up and what does the rudder do. Basic

Long wing (open class) sailplanes have additional considerations, but lets hold off on that for now.
A 27 ... enjoy....read the AOM.

R

Hi. Just curious as to how much open class time you have.