Patty Wagstaff

Jay Honeck wrote:
Reminds me of Hillary's comment from the early White House times that the
only way she could get in the newspaper was to change her hair style.


Please. I was about to eat breakfast...

Sorry I apparently hit your anti-Clinton reflex. The point is, no matter the
level of accomplishment, women are judged largely by their appearance.

"Dave Butler" wrote in message
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Jay Honeck wrote:
Reminds me of Hillary's comment from the early White House times that
the only way she could get in the newspaper was to change her hair
style.


Please. I was about to eat breakfast...

Sorry I apparently hit your anti-Clinton reflex. The point is, no
matter the level of accomplishment, women are judged largely by their
appearance.

You've got to be kidding! That's not true at all in the professional
world. It's just true for the Hollywood set. I can think of many women,
tops in their fields of science, medicine, electronics, aerospace..you
name it, who I can guarantee did not reach their pinnacles with their
looks.
I know one woman in particular, a friend of mine; a Navy Commander
flying F18's who would be right at home on the cover of Playboy however.
If I suggested to her what you have said here, I'm sure she would laugh
like hell!
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/CFI Retired
for private email; make necessary changes between ( )
dhenriques(at)(delete all this)earthlink(dot)net

W P Dixon wrote:

But of
course my Dad says I like to trade wives in when they hit 25.

Friend of mine is an electrician. His wife just turned 40. He joked about
trading her in on two 20 year olds. She told him "Honey, you ain't wired for
220."

George Patterson
He who would distinguish what is true from what is false must have an
adequate understanding of truth and falsehood.

Dudley Henriques wrote:
"Dave Butler" wrote in message
Sorry I apparently hit your anti-Clinton reflex. The point is, no
matter the level of accomplishment, women are judged largely by their
appearance.


You've got to be kidding! That's not true at all in the professional
world. It's just true for the Hollywood set. I can think of many women,
tops in their fields of science, medicine, electronics, aerospace..you
name it, who I can guarantee did not reach their pinnacles with their
looks.
I know one woman in particular, a friend of mine; a Navy Commander
flying F18's who would be right at home on the cover of Playboy however.
If I suggested to her what you have said here, I'm sure she would laugh
like hell!

Nope. Not kidding. Do you suppose a discussion about, say, Sean D. Tucker would
have evoked a comment about hair color?

Dave Butler wrote:

Dudley Henriques wrote:
"Dave Butler" wrote in message
Sorry I apparently hit your anti-Clinton reflex. The point is, no
matter the level of accomplishment, women are judged largely by their
appearance.


You've got to be kidding! That's not true at all in the professional
world. It's just true for the Hollywood set. I can think of many women,
tops in their fields of science, medicine, electronics, aerospace..you
name it, who I can guarantee did not reach their pinnacles with their
looks.
I know one woman in particular, a friend of mine; a Navy Commander
flying F18's who would be right at home on the cover of Playboy however.
If I suggested to her what you have said here, I'm sure she would laugh
like hell!

Nope. Not kidding. Do you suppose a discussion about, say, Sean D. Tucker would
have evoked a comment about hair color?

Not in a discussion primarily among men. But to use a comment about
hair color to support a claim that "women are judged largely by their
appearance" is quite a leap. Look at the substantive comments about
Ms. Wagstaff in this thread. Comments by guys pretending that they are
in a high school locker room are pretty clearly said in a light vein
(at least that is how I read them) not as a judgment of Wagstaff.

(P.S., I liked the brown hair better, too, but that is in no way a
judgment about her as a pilot or as a person!)
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Alex -- Replace "nospam" with "mail" to reply by email. Checked infrequently.

Hee Hee,
That's funny! A good sense of humor is a requirement. Goodness knows I like
to laugh and cut up.

Patrick

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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W P Dixon wrote:

But of
course my Dad says I like to trade wives in when they hit 25.

Friend of mine is an electrician. His wife just turned 40. He joked about
trading her in on two 20 year olds. She told him "Honey, you ain't wired
for
220."

George Patterson
He who would distinguish what is true from what is false must have an
adequate understanding of truth and falsehood.

Dave Butler wrote:

Yea, but I still liked her dark hair 1,000% more than her blond hair. I
wonder how many others feel the same.

Reminds me of Hillary's comment from the early White House times that
the only way she could get in the newspaper was to change her hair style.

Your quite correct, the mainstream media gave infinitely better coverage
to Hillary's hair style than her conviction of violation of federal open
meeting laws, ducking records subpoenas, insider trading, swapping
pardons for votes in NY, etc...

Nevertheless, Ms. Wagstaff's dark hair was, IMHO, a much better
compliment to her fantastic flying ability.

"Dave Butler" wrote in message
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Dudley Henriques wrote:
"Dave Butler" wrote in message
Sorry I apparently hit your anti-Clinton reflex. The point is, no
matter the level of accomplishment, women are judged largely by their
appearance.


You've got to be kidding! That's not true at all in the professional
world. It's just true for the Hollywood set. I can think of many
women, tops in their fields of science, medicine, electronics,
aerospace..you name it, who I can guarantee did not reach their
pinnacles with their looks.
I know one woman in particular, a friend of mine; a Navy Commander
flying F18's who would be right at home on the cover of Playboy
however.
If I suggested to her what you have said here, I'm sure she would
laugh like hell!

Nope. Not kidding. Do you suppose a discussion about, say, Sean D.
Tucker would have evoked a comment about hair color?

Thank you. You have made my point perfectly.
The people commenting on, or even discussing Ms. Wagstaff's hair color,
although nice enough people, are in no way even remotely qualified to
enhance her career, or even to judge the quality of her expertise.
Those of us who CAN make these judgments, including Sean Tucker and
myself, could care less what color her hair is.
I can assure you that if you approached Sean Tucker and asked about
Patty Wagstaff, her hair color would be the last thing mentioned.
My point is that people who are concerned with things like looks and
hair color are not the people who make and break careers in the
professional world. That is not to say that a woman with Patty
Wagstaff's professional talents would not use a little "good looks" to
appeal to that other market.
In fact, that is exactly what she does do..........she already has the
total respect of her professional peers. All Patty is doing is AFTER
achieving this respect through skill and talent, using all her available
tools to market herself to the people you are talking about........the
ones that make up her market base......her CUSTOMERS.......not her
peers!! :-))
HUGE difference!!!!
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/CFI Retired
for private email; make necessary changes between ( )
dhenriques(at)(delete all this)earthlink(dot)net

Tempest in a teapot...

This is no dichotomy in a woman being the president of IBM AND giving the
best blow job in town.

Eye candy doesn't hurt, but how many HP stockholders even knew what Carly
Fiorina looked like. She lost her job because she didn't perform, even
though she is still quite beautiful.



"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Dave Butler" wrote in message
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Jay Honeck wrote:
Reminds me of Hillary's comment from the early White House times that
the only way she could get in the newspaper was to change her hair
style.


Please. I was about to eat breakfast...

Sorry I apparently hit your anti-Clinton reflex. The point is, no
matter the level of accomplishment, women are judged largely by their
appearance.

You've got to be kidding! That's not true at all in the professional
world. It's just true for the Hollywood set. I can think of many women,
tops in their fields of science, medicine, electronics, aerospace..you
name it, who I can guarantee did not reach their pinnacles with their
looks.
I know one woman in particular, a friend of mine; a Navy Commander
flying F18's who would be right at home on the cover of Playboy however.
If I suggested to her what you have said here, I'm sure she would laugh
like hell!
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/CFI Retired
for private email; make necessary changes between ( )
dhenriques(at)(delete all this)earthlink(dot)net

Dudley Henriques wrote:
"Dave Butler" wrote in message
Nope. Not kidding. Do you suppose a discussion about, say, Sean D.
Tucker would have evoked a comment about hair color?


Thank you. You have made my point perfectly.
The people commenting on, or even discussing Ms. Wagstaff's hair color,
although nice enough people, are in no way even remotely qualified to
enhance her career, or even to judge the quality of her expertise.
Those of us who CAN make these judgments, including Sean Tucker and
myself, could care less what color her hair is.
I can assure you that if you approached Sean Tucker and asked about
Patty Wagstaff, her hair color would be the last thing mentioned.
My point is that people who are concerned with things like looks and
hair color are not the people who make and break careers in the
professional world. That is not to say that a woman with Patty
Wagstaff's professional talents would not use a little "good looks" to
appeal to that other market.
In fact, that is exactly what she does do..........she already has the
total respect of her professional peers. All Patty is doing is AFTER
achieving this respect through skill and talent, using all her available
tools to market herself to the people you are talking about........the
ones that make up her market base......her CUSTOMERS.......not her
peers!! :-))
HUGE difference!!!!

Dudley, I agree substantially with your comments, except for "...people who are
concerned with things like looks and hair color are not the people who make and
break careers in the professional world."

I don't think "people who make and break..." are substantially different from
the general population.

I'm pleased to learn of your personal indifference to such matters.