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There's some saber rattling going these days that just might bring us to
the precipitous edge of oblivion. IIRC, WW I started over an assassination of a royal figure of lesser stature... JT CWO4 Dave Mann wrote: Do not be so sure of your answer Herr Doktor. In short form, the Twisted Cross is a symbol of hatred, intolerance, horror and unlimited cruelty. Of course the majority of German people are dead set against being reminded of the Hitler years. As it should be with any nation which has suffered from a dictatorship. The Holocaust was a terrible event which continues to horrify me and the world. But, let the next generations forget or minimize, and the possibility for occurrence becomes more possible. Look at the Islamo-Fascists as an example of resurgence in modern times. The main actors are, in the main, a group of psychopaths who idealize the Hitler Universe. It does not take much of a stretch to see them goose-stepping and seig heil-ing just as the Arabs did during World War Two when they were Axis Allies. And speaking of Goose-stepping ... have you ever wondered exactly why the totalitarian armies, the far left or right dictator armies, and the otherwise nasty thug armies ALL seem to march in parades with the goose-step? I mean, Hitler didn't invent that style of marching, but it seems to be de'rigeur amongst the heavy-handed. Regards, David ben-Mann BA (Hons), MA, D.Phil. Ken Gerlach wrote: Clearly Dave is neither a Jew or an historian. I lived through that war and know why display of the Hakenkreuz is still frowned upon by those who remember. Dr G K Gerlach "CWO4 Dave Mann" wrote in message . .. Peter Hucker wrote: On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 15:39:13 -0000, CWO4 Dave Mann wrote: Mitchell Holman wrote: Interesting note for the Germans: The Nazi Hakenkreuz (Swastika) has been crudely photoshopped out of this picture so that it will be "legal" to have, display and send/receive in Germany. I am not belabouring the German people here, just making an observation. Cheers, Dave You can't send/receive a swastika in Germany? That's a little childish. I seem to recall that it is due to a law which first regulated Nazi-era souvenirs. But, there was concern by the Germans about the burgeoning neo-Nazi groups which flourished in the old East Germany after the Reunification. An example is eBay.de -- the German eBay system. Nazi-"anything" are not allowed on that system. There was a lawsuit a few years back, but I dis-remember the details. I suppose we could look at it from several views: 1. It is the result of Political Correctness gone mad in a world already insane. 2. It is a cloying Government technique to stifle free speech -- which is not guaranteed by the German constitution anyway. 3. It is a reaction to the rebirth of the Nationalist Socialist Workers Movement (Nazi Party) in modern day uniforms but in 1930's style jack boots. 4. It is a sop to the leftists of Germany whose goal may be to convert Germany to a Socialist state and want to remove the Hitler times from the history books. 5. It is due to pressure from the Jewish Rulers of the World -- a Ukase issued from the secret Fortress of International Jewry located near Mount Ararat in a cave. 6. It is a legitimate but ill-thought-out attempt by government censors to limit exposure of modern day Germans to Nazi idealization. 7. Erasing the Swastika from historical images is required by law .. eventually there will be no-one alive who remembers and it will be "old history" anyway that nobody studies because they are too busy demonstrating against something. As a historian, I think it is unwise to elimiate images which may offend. Look at the re-creation of history and historical pictures which took place under the regimes of Stalin and Hitler and the manipulation of historically important facts such as FDR's paralysis and the fact that he was wheel-chair-bound ... Would you believe that it is only in the 1990's that a statue of FDR showing him in his wheel chair was "allowed" to be made and placed in a national historical park? Something like that denies the existance of Polio and more importantly the fortitude of Roosevelt in overcoming his mobility impairment. Removing the swastika and make the Seig arm salute illegal in Germany simply removed one more link to an already distorted view of history. Travel to any German city today and try to find the local Synagogue. Naturally there are none, but you will find only a small brass plaque which has some simplistic words such as "here was the location of the Jewish Congregation of Beth-Israel which existed from 1525 to 1938 and which was destroyed by the Nazi government in World War Two." That statement leaves a whole bunch of history out, to be sure. Somewhere along the line "Never Again" becomes lost to the casual on-looker, Jew or non-Jew alike. I've meandered along here, but the bottom line is that once freedom of speech and expression becomes constricted or restricted, it is a very slippery downhill slope. That slippery slope conundrum is one reason that I, a veteran of 30 years military service, two wars and with a purple heart to show for it was not in favor of the flag burning amendment. As obnoxious as I find the maltreatment of Old Glory, once the law says a person cannon express themselves by defacing Her, then what will the next step be? How about "Speaking Out Against the Policies of the Government". That should give you chills. Meanwhile, Cheers, Dave |
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On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:46:13 -0000, CWO4 Dave Mann wrote:
Peter Hucker wrote: On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 15:39:13 -0000, CWO4 Dave Mann wrote: Mitchell Holman wrote: Interesting note for the Germans: The Nazi Hakenkreuz (Swastika) has been crudely photoshopped out of this picture so that it will be "legal" to have, display and send/receive in Germany. I am not belabouring the German people here, just making an observation. Cheers, Dave You can't send/receive a swastika in Germany? That's a little childish. I seem to recall that it is due to a law which first regulated Nazi-era souvenirs. But, there was concern by the Germans about the burgeoning neo-Nazi groups which flourished in the old East Germany after the Reunification. An example is eBay.de -- the German eBay system. Nazi-"anything" are not allowed on that system. There was a lawsuit a few years back, but I dis-remember the details. I suppose we could look at it from several views: 1. It is the result of Political Correctness gone mad in a world already insane. 2. It is a cloying Government technique to stifle free speech -- which is not guaranteed by the German constitution anyway. 3. It is a reaction to the rebirth of the Nationalist Socialist Workers Movement (Nazi Party) in modern day uniforms but in 1930's style jack boots. 4. It is a sop to the leftists of Germany whose goal may be to convert Germany to a Socialist state and want to remove the Hitler times from the history books. 5. It is due to pressure from the Jewish Rulers of the World -- a Ukase issued from the secret Fortress of International Jewry located near Mount Ararat in a cave. 6. It is a legitimate but ill-thought-out attempt by government censors to limit exposure of modern day Germans to Nazi idealization. 7. Erasing the Swastika from historical images is required by law .. eventually there will be no-one alive who remembers and it will be "old history" anyway that nobody studies because they are too busy demonstrating against something. As a historian, I think it is unwise to elimiate images which may offend. Look at the re-creation of history and historical pictures which took place under the regimes of Stalin and Hitler and the manipulation of historically important facts such as FDR's paralysis and the fact that he was wheel-chair-bound ... Would you believe that it is only in the 1990's that a statue of FDR showing him in his wheel chair was "allowed" to be made and placed in a national historical park? Something like that denies the existance of Polio and more importantly the fortitude of Roosevelt in overcoming his mobility impairment. Removing the swastika and make the Seig arm salute illegal in Germany simply removed one more link to an already distorted view of history. Travel to any German city today and try to find the local Synagogue. Naturally there are none, but you will find only a small brass plaque which has some simplistic words such as "here was the location of the Jewish Congregation of Beth-Israel which existed from 1525 to 1938 and which was destroyed by the Nazi government in World War Two." That statement leaves a whole bunch of history out, to be sure. Somewhere along the line "Never Again" becomes lost to the casual on-looker, Jew or non-Jew alike. I've meandered along here, but the bottom line is that once freedom of speech and expression becomes constricted or restricted, it is a very slippery downhill slope. That slippery slope conundrum is one reason that I, a veteran of 30 years military service, two wars and with a purple heart to show for it was not in favor of the flag burning amendment. As obnoxious as I find the maltreatment of Old Glory, once the law says a person cannon express themselves by defacing Her, then what will the next step be? How about "Speaking Out Against the Policies of the Government". That should give you chills. Meanwhile, Cheers, Dave Agreed on all counts. Well put. -- http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com Thought for the Day: The Bible teaches us to love your neighbour, and the Kama Sutra explains how. |
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"CWO4 Dave Mann" wrote:
And speaking of Goose-stepping ... have you ever wondered exactly why the totalitarian armies, the far left or right dictator armies, and the otherwise nasty thug armies ALL seem to march in parades with the goose-step? I mean, Hitler didn't invent that style of marching, but it seems to be de'rigeur amongst the heavy-handed. The goose-step was considered to be a fine display of discipline, martial menace and general shock-and-awe intimidation. Of course it didn't impress everyone: http://www.archive.org/details/1942-...lph_Takes_Over --Bill Thompson |
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I don't believe that I have misread your intent in your original message as
well as the current one. Perhaps the point that the swastika is anathema to millions of Jewish people is not part of your consideration. In fact, there is a definite anti-Semitic tone to much of the original. BTW, I am not Jewish (German/English extract), but as I say, I lived though that horror and as long as there are still those alive who went thought that war, the crooked cross will be reviled. Fondly, the ''Herr Doktor'' "CWO4 Dave Mann" wrote in message ... Do not be so sure of your answer Herr Doktor. In short form, the Twisted Cross is a symbol of hatred, intolerance, horror and unlimited cruelty. Of course the majority of German people are dead set against being reminded of the Hitler years. As it should be with any nation which has suffered from a dictatorship. The Holocaust was a terrible event which continues to horrify me and the world. But, let the next generations forget or minimize, and the possibility for occurrence becomes more possible. Look at the Islamo-Fascists as an example of resurgence in modern times. The main actors are, in the main, a group of psychopaths who idealize the Hitler Universe. It does not take much of a stretch to see them goose-stepping and seig heil-ing just as the Arabs did during World War Two when they were Axis Allies. And speaking of Goose-stepping ... have you ever wondered exactly why the totalitarian armies, the far left or right dictator armies, and the otherwise nasty thug armies ALL seem to march in parades with the goose-step? I mean, Hitler didn't invent that style of marching, but it seems to be de'rigeur amongst the heavy-handed. Regards, David ben-Mann BA (Hons), MA, D.Phil. Ken Gerlach wrote: Clearly Dave is neither a Jew or an historian. I lived through that war and know why display of the Hakenkreuz is still frowned upon by those who remember. Dr G K Gerlach "CWO4 Dave Mann" wrote in message . .. Peter Hucker wrote: On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 15:39:13 -0000, CWO4 Dave Mann wrote: Mitchell Holman wrote: Interesting note for the Germans: The Nazi Hakenkreuz (Swastika) has been crudely photoshopped out of this picture so that it will be "legal" to have, display and send/receive in Germany. I am not belabouring the German people here, just making an observation. Cheers, Dave You can't send/receive a swastika in Germany? That's a little childish. I seem to recall that it is due to a law which first regulated Nazi-era souvenirs. But, there was concern by the Germans about the burgeoning neo-Nazi groups which flourished in the old East Germany after the Reunification. An example is eBay.de -- the German eBay system. Nazi-"anything" are not allowed on that system. There was a lawsuit a few years back, but I dis-remember the details. I suppose we could look at it from several views: 1. It is the result of Political Correctness gone mad in a world already insane. 2. It is a cloying Government technique to stifle free speech -- which is not guaranteed by the German constitution anyway. 3. It is a reaction to the rebirth of the Nationalist Socialist Workers Movement (Nazi Party) in modern day uniforms but in 1930's style jack boots. 4. It is a sop to the leftists of Germany whose goal may be to convert Germany to a Socialist state and want to remove the Hitler times from the history books. 5. It is due to pressure from the Jewish Rulers of the World -- a Ukase issued from the secret Fortress of International Jewry located near Mount Ararat in a cave. 6. It is a legitimate but ill-thought-out attempt by government censors to limit exposure of modern day Germans to Nazi idealization. 7. Erasing the Swastika from historical images is required by law .. eventually there will be no-one alive who remembers and it will be "old history" anyway that nobody studies because they are too busy demonstrating against something. As a historian, I think it is unwise to elimiate images which may offend. Look at the re-creation of history and historical pictures which took place under the regimes of Stalin and Hitler and the manipulation of historically important facts such as FDR's paralysis and the fact that he was wheel-chair-bound ... Would you believe that it is only in the 1990's that a statue of FDR showing him in his wheel chair was "allowed" to be made and placed in a national historical park? Something like that denies the existance of Polio and more importantly the fortitude of Roosevelt in overcoming his mobility impairment. Removing the swastika and make the Seig arm salute illegal in Germany simply removed one more link to an already distorted view of history. Travel to any German city today and try to find the local Synagogue. Naturally there are none, but you will find only a small brass plaque which has some simplistic words such as "here was the location of the Jewish Congregation of Beth-Israel which existed from 1525 to 1938 and which was destroyed by the Nazi government in World War Two." That statement leaves a whole bunch of history out, to be sure. Somewhere along the line "Never Again" becomes lost to the casual on-looker, Jew or non-Jew alike. I've meandered along here, but the bottom line is that once freedom of speech and expression becomes constricted or restricted, it is a very slippery downhill slope. That slippery slope conundrum is one reason that I, a veteran of 30 years military service, two wars and with a purple heart to show for it was not in favor of the flag burning amendment. As obnoxious as I find the maltreatment of Old Glory, once the law says a person cannon express themselves by defacing Her, then what will the next step be? How about "Speaking Out Against the Policies of the Government". That should give you chills. Meanwhile, Cheers, Dave |
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No other minority takes things so seriously.
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 07:38:55 -0000, Ken Gerlach wrote: I don't believe that I have misread your intent in your original message as well as the current one. Perhaps the point that the swastika is anathema to millions of Jewish people is not part of your consideration. In fact, there is a definite anti-Semitic tone to much of the original. BTW, I am not Jewish (German/English extract), but as I say, I lived though that horror and as long as there are still those alive who went thought that war, the crooked cross will be reviled. Fondly, the ''Herr Doktor'' "CWO4 Dave Mann" wrote in message ... Do not be so sure of your answer Herr Doktor. In short form, the Twisted Cross is a symbol of hatred, intolerance, horror and unlimited cruelty. Of course the majority of German people are dead set against being reminded of the Hitler years. As it should be with any nation which has suffered from a dictatorship. The Holocaust was a terrible event which continues to horrify me and the world. But, let the next generations forget or minimize, and the possibility for occurrence becomes more possible. Look at the Islamo-Fascists as an example of resurgence in modern times. The main actors are, in the main, a group of psychopaths who idealize the Hitler Universe. It does not take much of a stretch to see them goose-stepping and seig heil-ing just as the Arabs did during World War Two when they were Axis Allies. And speaking of Goose-stepping ... have you ever wondered exactly why the totalitarian armies, the far left or right dictator armies, and the otherwise nasty thug armies ALL seem to march in parades with the goose-step? I mean, Hitler didn't invent that style of marching, but it seems to be de'rigeur amongst the heavy-handed. Regards, David ben-Mann BA (Hons), MA, D.Phil. Ken Gerlach wrote: Clearly Dave is neither a Jew or an historian. I lived through that war and know why display of the Hakenkreuz is still frowned upon by those who remember. Dr G K Gerlach "CWO4 Dave Mann" wrote in message . .. Peter Hucker wrote: On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 15:39:13 -0000, CWO4 Dave Mann wrote: You can't send/receive a swastika in Germany? That's a little childish. I seem to recall that it is due to a law which first regulated Nazi-era souvenirs. But, there was concern by the Germans about the burgeoning neo-Nazi groups which flourished in the old East Germany after the Reunification. An example is eBay.de -- the German eBay system. Nazi-"anything" are not allowed on that system. There was a lawsuit a few years back, but I dis-remember the details. I suppose we could look at it from several views: 1. It is the result of Political Correctness gone mad in a world already insane. 2. It is a cloying Government technique to stifle free speech -- which is not guaranteed by the German constitution anyway. 3. It is a reaction to the rebirth of the Nationalist Socialist Workers Movement (Nazi Party) in modern day uniforms but in 1930's style jack boots. 4. It is a sop to the leftists of Germany whose goal may be to convert Germany to a Socialist state and want to remove the Hitler times from the history books. 5. It is due to pressure from the Jewish Rulers of the World -- a Ukase issued from the secret Fortress of International Jewry located near Mount Ararat in a cave. 6. It is a legitimate but ill-thought-out attempt by government censors to limit exposure of modern day Germans to Nazi idealization. 7. Erasing the Swastika from historical images is required by law .. eventually there will be no-one alive who remembers and it will be "old history" anyway that nobody studies because they are too busy demonstrating against something. As a historian, I think it is unwise to elimiate images which may offend. Look at the re-creation of history and historical pictures which took place under the regimes of Stalin and Hitler and the manipulation of historically important facts such as FDR's paralysis and the fact that he was wheel-chair-bound ... Would you believe that it is only in the 1990's that a statue of FDR showing him in his wheel chair was "allowed" to be made and placed in a national historical park? Something like that denies the existance of Polio and more importantly the fortitude of Roosevelt in overcoming his mobility impairment. Removing the swastika and make the Seig arm salute illegal in Germany simply removed one more link to an already distorted view of history. Travel to any German city today and try to find the local Synagogue. Naturally there are none, but you will find only a small brass plaque which has some simplistic words such as "here was the location of the Jewish Congregation of Beth-Israel which existed from 1525 to 1938 and which was destroyed by the Nazi government in World War Two." That statement leaves a whole bunch of history out, to be sure. Somewhere along the line "Never Again" becomes lost to the casual on-looker, Jew or non-Jew alike. I've meandered along here, but the bottom line is that once freedom of speech and expression becomes constricted or restricted, it is a very slippery downhill slope. That slippery slope conundrum is one reason that I, a veteran of 30 years military service, two wars and with a purple heart to show for it was not in favor of the flag burning amendment. As obnoxious as I find the maltreatment of Old Glory, once the law says a person cannon express themselves by defacing Her, then what will the next step be? How about "Speaking Out Against the Policies of the Government". That should give you chills. Meanwhile, Cheers, Dave -- http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com Why is bra singular and panties plural? |
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You're missing the point. Displaying it as a historical item is not showing hatred for anyone. It's not liking someone's shaking it in your face. The war was a long time ago, give it a rest.
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:59:26 -0000, Ken Gerlach wrote: Clearly Dave is neither a Jew or an historian. I lived through that war and know why display of the Hakenkreuz is still frowned upon by those who remember. Dr G K Gerlach "CWO4 Dave Mann" wrote in message . .. Peter Hucker wrote: On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 15:39:13 -0000, CWO4 Dave Mann wrote: Mitchell Holman wrote: Interesting note for the Germans: The Nazi Hakenkreuz (Swastika) has been crudely photoshopped out of this picture so that it will be "legal" to have, display and send/receive in Germany. I am not belabouring the German people here, just making an observation. Cheers, Dave You can't send/receive a swastika in Germany? That's a little childish. I seem to recall that it is due to a law which first regulated Nazi-era souvenirs. But, there was concern by the Germans about the burgeoning neo-Nazi groups which flourished in the old East Germany after the Reunification. An example is eBay.de -- the German eBay system. Nazi-"anything" are not allowed on that system. There was a lawsuit a few years back, but I dis-remember the details. I suppose we could look at it from several views: 1. It is the result of Political Correctness gone mad in a world already insane. 2. It is a cloying Government technique to stifle free speech -- which is not guaranteed by the German constitution anyway. 3. It is a reaction to the rebirth of the Nationalist Socialist Workers Movement (Nazi Party) in modern day uniforms but in 1930's style jack boots. 4. It is a sop to the leftists of Germany whose goal may be to convert Germany to a Socialist state and want to remove the Hitler times from the history books. 5. It is due to pressure from the Jewish Rulers of the World -- a Ukase issued from the secret Fortress of International Jewry located near Mount Ararat in a cave. 6. It is a legitimate but ill-thought-out attempt by government censors to limit exposure of modern day Germans to Nazi idealization. 7. Erasing the Swastika from historical images is required by law .. eventually there will be no-one alive who remembers and it will be "old history" anyway that nobody studies because they are too busy demonstrating against something. As a historian, I think it is unwise to elimiate images which may offend. Look at the re-creation of history and historical pictures which took place under the regimes of Stalin and Hitler and the manipulation of historically important facts such as FDR's paralysis and the fact that he was wheel-chair-bound ... Would you believe that it is only in the 1990's that a statue of FDR showing him in his wheel chair was "allowed" to be made and placed in a national historical park? Something like that denies the existance of Polio and more importantly the fortitude of Roosevelt in overcoming his mobility impairment. Removing the swastika and make the Seig arm salute illegal in Germany simply removed one more link to an already distorted view of history. Travel to any German city today and try to find the local Synagogue. Naturally there are none, but you will find only a small brass plaque which has some simplistic words such as "here was the location of the Jewish Congregation of Beth-Israel which existed from 1525 to 1938 and which was destroyed by the Nazi government in World War Two." That statement leaves a whole bunch of history out, to be sure. Somewhere along the line "Never Again" becomes lost to the casual on-looker, Jew or non-Jew alike. I've meandered along here, but the bottom line is that once freedom of speech and expression becomes constricted or restricted, it is a very slippery downhill slope. That slippery slope conundrum is one reason that I, a veteran of 30 years military service, two wars and with a purple heart to show for it was not in favor of the flag burning amendment. As obnoxious as I find the maltreatment of Old Glory, once the law says a person cannon express themselves by defacing Her, then what will the next step be? How about "Speaking Out Against the Policies of the Government". That should give you chills. Meanwhile, Cheers, Dave -- http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com Reading while sunbathing makes you well red. |
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Indeeed, no other minority has suffered the murder of millions of its
members! gkg "Peter Hucker" wrote in message news No other minority takes things so seriously. On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 07:38:55 -0000, Ken Gerlach wrote: I don't believe that I have misread your intent in your original message as well as the current one. Perhaps the point that the swastika is anathema to millions of Jewish people is not part of your consideration. In fact, there is a definite anti-Semitic tone to much of the original. BTW, I am not Jewish (German/English extract), but as I say, I lived though that horror and as long as there are still those alive who went thought that war, the crooked cross will be reviled. Fondly, the ''Herr Doktor'' "CWO4 Dave Mann" wrote in message ... Do not be so sure of your answer Herr Doktor. In short form, the Twisted Cross is a symbol of hatred, intolerance, horror and unlimited cruelty. Of course the majority of German people are dead set against being reminded of the Hitler years. As it should be with any nation which has suffered from a dictatorship. The Holocaust was a terrible event which continues to horrify me and the world. But, let the next generations forget or minimize, and the possibility for occurrence becomes more possible. Look at the Islamo-Fascists as an example of resurgence in modern times. The main actors are, in the main, a group of psychopaths who idealize the Hitler Universe. It does not take much of a stretch to see them goose-stepping and seig heil-ing just as the Arabs did during World War Two when they were Axis Allies. And speaking of Goose-stepping ... have you ever wondered exactly why the totalitarian armies, the far left or right dictator armies, and the otherwise nasty thug armies ALL seem to march in parades with the goose-step? I mean, Hitler didn't invent that style of marching, but it seems to be de'rigeur amongst the heavy-handed. Regards, David ben-Mann BA (Hons), MA, D.Phil. Ken Gerlach wrote: Clearly Dave is neither a Jew or an historian. I lived through that war and know why display of the Hakenkreuz is still frowned upon by those who remember. Dr G K Gerlach "CWO4 Dave Mann" wrote in message . .. Peter Hucker wrote: On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 15:39:13 -0000, CWO4 Dave Mann wrote: You can't send/receive a swastika in Germany? That's a little childish. I seem to recall that it is due to a law which first regulated Nazi-era souvenirs. But, there was concern by the Germans about the burgeoning neo-Nazi groups which flourished in the old East Germany after the Reunification. An example is eBay.de -- the German eBay system. Nazi-"anything" are not allowed on that system. There was a lawsuit a few years back, but I dis-remember the details. I suppose we could look at it from several views: 1. It is the result of Political Correctness gone mad in a world already insane. 2. It is a cloying Government technique to stifle free speech -- which is not guaranteed by the German constitution anyway. 3. It is a reaction to the rebirth of the Nationalist Socialist Workers Movement (Nazi Party) in modern day uniforms but in 1930's style jack boots. 4. It is a sop to the leftists of Germany whose goal may be to convert Germany to a Socialist state and want to remove the Hitler times from the history books. 5. It is due to pressure from the Jewish Rulers of the World -- a Ukase issued from the secret Fortress of International Jewry located near Mount Ararat in a cave. 6. It is a legitimate but ill-thought-out attempt by government censors to limit exposure of modern day Germans to Nazi idealization. 7. Erasing the Swastika from historical images is required by law .. eventually there will be no-one alive who remembers and it will be "old history" anyway that nobody studies because they are too busy demonstrating against something. As a historian, I think it is unwise to elimiate images which may offend. Look at the re-creation of history and historical pictures which took place under the regimes of Stalin and Hitler and the manipulation of historically important facts such as FDR's paralysis and the fact that he was wheel-chair-bound ... Would you believe that it is only in the 1990's that a statue of FDR showing him in his wheel chair was "allowed" to be made and placed in a national historical park? Something like that denies the existance of Polio and more importantly the fortitude of Roosevelt in overcoming his mobility impairment. Removing the swastika and make the Seig arm salute illegal in Germany simply removed one more link to an already distorted view of history. Travel to any German city today and try to find the local Synagogue. Naturally there are none, but you will find only a small brass plaque which has some simplistic words such as "here was the location of the Jewish Congregation of Beth-Israel which existed from 1525 to 1938 and which was destroyed by the Nazi government in World War Two." That statement leaves a whole bunch of history out, to be sure. Somewhere along the line "Never Again" becomes lost to the casual on-looker, Jew or non-Jew alike. I've meandered along here, but the bottom line is that once freedom of speech and expression becomes constricted or restricted, it is a very slippery downhill slope. That slippery slope conundrum is one reason that I, a veteran of 30 years military service, two wars and with a purple heart to show for it was not in favor of the flag burning amendment. As obnoxious as I find the maltreatment of Old Glory, once the law says a person cannon express themselves by defacing Her, then what will the next step be? How about "Speaking Out Against the Policies of the Government". That should give you chills. Meanwhile, Cheers, Dave -- http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com Why is bra singular and panties plural? |
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On the same scale, yes.
But, there's plenty of examples of the same murderous activity taking place daily in Africa and many closed countries in this world. Fact is that it will never go away. It is just one of the more gritty ingredients of humanity... JT Ken Gerlach wrote: Indeeed, no other minority has suffered the murder of millions of its members! gkg "Peter Hucker" wrote in message news No other minority takes things so seriously. On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 07:38:55 -0000, Ken Gerlach wrote: I don't believe that I have misread your intent in your original message as well as the current one. Perhaps the point that the swastika is anathema to millions of Jewish people is not part of your consideration. In fact, there is a definite anti-Semitic tone to much of the original. BTW, I am not Jewish (German/English extract), but as I say, I lived though that horror and as long as there are still those alive who went thought that war, the crooked cross will be reviled. Fondly, the ''Herr Doktor'' "CWO4 Dave Mann" wrote in message ... Do not be so sure of your answer Herr Doktor. In short form, the Twisted Cross is a symbol of hatred, intolerance, horror and unlimited cruelty. Of course the majority of German people are dead set against being reminded of the Hitler years. As it should be with any nation which has suffered from a dictatorship. The Holocaust was a terrible event which continues to horrify me and the world. But, let the next generations forget or minimize, and the possibility for occurrence becomes more possible. Look at the Islamo-Fascists as an example of resurgence in modern times. The main actors are, in the main, a group of psychopaths who idealize the Hitler Universe. It does not take much of a stretch to see them goose-stepping and seig heil-ing just as the Arabs did during World War Two when they were Axis Allies. And speaking of Goose-stepping ... have you ever wondered exactly why the totalitarian armies, the far left or right dictator armies, and the otherwise nasty thug armies ALL seem to march in parades with the goose-step? I mean, Hitler didn't invent that style of marching, but it seems to be de'rigeur amongst the heavy-handed. Regards, David ben-Mann BA (Hons), MA, D.Phil. Ken Gerlach wrote: Clearly Dave is neither a Jew or an historian. I lived through that war and know why display of the Hakenkreuz is still frowned upon by those who remember. Dr G K Gerlach "CWO4 Dave Mann" wrote in message . .. Peter Hucker wrote: On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 15:39:13 -0000, CWO4 Dave Mann wrote: You can't send/receive a swastika in Germany? That's a little childish. I seem to recall that it is due to a law which first regulated Nazi-era souvenirs. But, there was concern by the Germans about the burgeoning neo-Nazi groups which flourished in the old East Germany after the Reunification. An example is eBay.de -- the German eBay system. Nazi-"anything" are not allowed on that system. There was a lawsuit a few years back, but I dis-remember the details. I suppose we could look at it from several views: 1. It is the result of Political Correctness gone mad in a world already insane. 2. It is a cloying Government technique to stifle free speech -- which is not guaranteed by the German constitution anyway. 3. It is a reaction to the rebirth of the Nationalist Socialist Workers Movement (Nazi Party) in modern day uniforms but in 1930's style jack boots. 4. It is a sop to the leftists of Germany whose goal may be to convert Germany to a Socialist state and want to remove the Hitler times from the history books. 5. It is due to pressure from the Jewish Rulers of the World -- a Ukase issued from the secret Fortress of International Jewry located near Mount Ararat in a cave. 6. It is a legitimate but ill-thought-out attempt by government censors to limit exposure of modern day Germans to Nazi idealization. 7. Erasing the Swastika from historical images is required by law .. eventually there will be no-one alive who remembers and it will be "old history" anyway that nobody studies because they are too busy demonstrating against something. As a historian, I think it is unwise to elimiate images which may offend. Look at the re-creation of history and historical pictures which took place under the regimes of Stalin and Hitler and the manipulation of historically important facts such as FDR's paralysis and the fact that he was wheel-chair-bound ... Would you believe that it is only in the 1990's that a statue of FDR showing him in his wheel chair was "allowed" to be made and placed in a national historical park? Something like that denies the existance of Polio and more importantly the fortitude of Roosevelt in overcoming his mobility impairment. Removing the swastika and make the Seig arm salute illegal in Germany simply removed one more link to an already distorted view of history. Travel to any German city today and try to find the local Synagogue. Naturally there are none, but you will find only a small brass plaque which has some simplistic words such as "here was the location of the Jewish Congregation of Beth-Israel which existed from 1525 to 1938 and which was destroyed by the Nazi government in World War Two." That statement leaves a whole bunch of history out, to be sure. Somewhere along the line "Never Again" becomes lost to the casual on-looker, Jew or non-Jew alike. I've meandered along here, but the bottom line is that once freedom of speech and expression becomes constricted or restricted, it is a very slippery downhill slope. That slippery slope conundrum is one reason that I, a veteran of 30 years military service, two wars and with a purple heart to show for it was not in favor of the flag burning amendment. As obnoxious as I find the maltreatment of Old Glory, once the law says a person cannon express themselves by defacing Her, then what will the next step be? How about "Speaking Out Against the Policies of the Government". That should give you chills. Meanwhile, Cheers, Dave -- http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com Why is bra singular and panties plural? |
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This is still happening is it?
On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 06:39:32 -0000, Ken Gerlach wrote: Indeeed, no other minority has suffered the murder of millions of its members! gkg "Peter Hucker" wrote in message news No other minority takes things so seriously. On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 07:38:55 -0000, Ken Gerlach wrote: I don't believe that I have misread your intent in your original message as well as the current one. Perhaps the point that the swastika is anathema to millions of Jewish people is not part of your consideration. In fact, there is a definite anti-Semitic tone to much of the original. BTW, I am not Jewish (German/English extract), but as I say, I lived though that horror and as long as there are still those alive who went thought that war, the crooked cross will be reviled. Fondly, the ''Herr Doktor'' "CWO4 Dave Mann" wrote in message ... Do not be so sure of your answer Herr Doktor. In short form, the Twisted Cross is a symbol of hatred, intolerance, horror and unlimited cruelty. Of course the majority of German people are dead set against being reminded of the Hitler years. As it should be with any nation which has suffered from a dictatorship. The Holocaust was a terrible event which continues to horrify me and the world. But, let the next generations forget or minimize, and the possibility for occurrence becomes more possible. Look at the Islamo-Fascists as an example of resurgence in modern times. The main actors are, in the main, a group of psychopaths who idealize the Hitler Universe. It does not take much of a stretch to see them goose-stepping and seig heil-ing just as the Arabs did during World War Two when they were Axis Allies. And speaking of Goose-stepping ... have you ever wondered exactly why the totalitarian armies, the far left or right dictator armies, and the otherwise nasty thug armies ALL seem to march in parades with the goose-step? I mean, Hitler didn't invent that style of marching, but it seems to be de'rigeur amongst the heavy-handed. Regards, David ben-Mann BA (Hons), MA, D.Phil. Ken Gerlach wrote: Clearly Dave is neither a Jew or an historian. I lived through that war and know why display of the Hakenkreuz is still frowned upon by those who remember. Dr G K Gerlach "CWO4 Dave Mann" wrote in message . .. -- http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com Why is bra singular and panties plural? -- http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com WinError: Unable to exit Windows. Try the door. |
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