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#71
October 18th 03, 11:44 PM
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"Michael Petukhov" wrote in message om... "Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... "Michael Petukhov" wrote in message om... Not necessary. This is because you are not a scientist Keith. Otherwise you would know that humans never landed on Sun and other distant stars (at least officially) but its material compositions are known from spectroscopy data. Some elements (helium for instance) were first discovered on Sun and only after that was found on Earth. Spectroscopy will tell you what elements are present and in what proportions but can tell you nothing about the structure of the objects themselves. Diamond, graphite and hard coal all show up as carbon in a spctroscopic analysis. So what? But you know this Michael so you seem to be being somewhat less than wholly truthful. 100% truthful. NASA had tons of meteorites of different type. only from ANSMET program NASA got some 10000 Antarctic meteories Spectroscopy data were good enough to separate lunar rocks from that stock. BTW lunar meteorites have no single structure. It can be as different as basalts and breccias. Ansmet started in the year 1976, how do you propose NASA accessed its findings back in 1969 ? snip If one have reliable markers it was easy to separate lunar meteorires from the rest and to know "what any sane person would expect" And the reliable markers were of course obtained by the Apollo samples Keith 
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#72
October 19th 03, 12:13 AM
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#73
October 19th 03, 12:31 AM
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"Snuffy Smith" wrote:
:"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message :news 
:: I assume you're referring to SARS? Not a "flu bug". China actually : had public thermometers to check people on the street. You seem a bit : misinformed here. : :Well duhhh! Only AFTER they looked like fools in the eyes of the entire :world. Well duhhh! You don't even know what it was and you think THEY looked like fools? : :The question is how long before China implodes like the Soviet Union???? : : It won't happen. China has been much more economically flexible than : the old Soviet Union was. : :Never say never. The odds are just as good that WE will implode like the Soviet Union. Never say never, after all. -- "We come into the world and take our chances. Fate is just the weight of circumstances. That's the way that Lady Luck dances. Roll the bones...." -- "Roll The Bones", Rush
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#74
October 19th 03, 12:36 AM
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"Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" wrote: Fred J. McCall wrote: (D.K.) wrote: :P.S. First American woman in space was what - 20 years after :Tereshkova? Yes, the difference being that we didn't send one until she had an actual purpose in being there. 'Parachute packer in a can' as a 'first' is hardly something to be beating your chest about. Sour grapes? I believe that in addition to the obvioous political political purpose, they even manufactured a set of 'opportunity knocks' scientific, medical, purposes for launching her. About the same time that the Mercury astronauts were selected and in training, a group a woman aviators were undergoing a similar process. One of my flight instructors around 1972, when I was working on getting my pilot's license, Irene Leverton, was a member of that group. At the time is was taking instruction from here, she had something like 20,000 hours transport time logged along with most of the expected tickets. Not someone to take any guff from anyone, was my impression at the time, but she was a very good instructor. The project was killed for political reasons; they figured that the American public wouldn't tolerate a woman being killed on flight operations.
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#75
October 19th 03, 05:14 AM
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Fred J. McCall wrote:
"Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" wrote: :Fred J. McCall wrote: : : (D.K.) wrote: : : :P.S. First American woman in space was what - 20 years after : :Tereshkova? : : Yes, the difference being that we didn't send one until she had an : actual purpose in being there. 'Parachute packer in a can' as a : 'first' is hardly something to be beating your chest about. : :Sour grapes? Not hardly. :I believe that in addition to the obvioous political political urpose, they even manufactured a set of 'opportunity knocks':scientific, medical, purposes for launching her. As I understood it, she was sealed in with instructions not to touch anything. So how does that contradict, or affect the validity of anything which I said, even in the scientific field? After all did orbiting Laika by the russians, or the monkeys and apes by the USA not provide valuable biometric data? :As a slight parallel, What was the purpose of Senator John :Glenns' 1998, STS-95 return trip into space? Funding. He's a Senator and can help get it raised. [And no, we shouldn't have sent him, either. But you don't see us touting it as a great 'victory'. I think that AARP is  However, in your case, I suppose you have to grab what little glory you can find wherever you can find it.] Indeed! I will revel and bask in any glory that I can garner And I won't in any small and mean spirited way deny the fame, glory and credit due to the space pioneers of any beings in this universe. -- May you live long and prosper Rostyk
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#76
October 19th 03, 06:50 AM
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#77
October 19th 03, 07:49 AM
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"Pete" wrote in message ... "Gord Beaman" wrote in message ... "Bill Silvey" wrote: "Bob McKellar" wrote in message B2431 wrote: From: Alan Minyard a NASA even built a "zero-G" test rig to try out the landers controls. It had a lift engine that could be throttled to exactly balance out the weight of the rig, so the thrusted operated at "zero-G" Al Minyard I think they had more than one. I recall a pilot punching out of one just before it crashed. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired Fella name of Armstrong. Probably ruined his career, busting up the gear like that. Wonder whatever happened to him........ Bob McKellar Went on to do some flight testing for equipment with some alphabet-soup organization down on the sleepy part of Florida's east coast, IIRC. Some government branch or something. It's rumored after that one incident that only two other guys in the whole place would fly with him. Sad, really. ;-) Sounds familiar...isn't he the guy who got a little off course and landed his craft on some little used spot something like a quarter of a million miles from home?...I hear that he got it back home ok though, lucky for him. I think he even got out to ask for directions, but couldn't find anyone. I guess they just kind of aimed in the general direction of home, and found it. Yea, but last I heard he was teaching school some place in Ohio...
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#78
October 19th 03, 08:03 AM
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"Gordon" wrote in message ... Not at all. Sputnik created the space race...which Russia eventually lost, but you won't find a single yankee soul who knows who Tereshkova was. The first true space passenger, and a woman besides. As for the publicity that early Soviet launches recieved, I have two framed newspapers over my desk - one is of Yuri's flight, the other is Carpenter's first flight. Coverage on both events is remarkably similar, and comprise the entire front page of the Houston newspapers. Folks in the US knew all about Sputnik and Gagarin - those two flights were always discussed in the context of the flashpoint for the space race. I have a pretty vivid memory of a talking head explaining the difference between models of the Saturn V and Soviet launch vehicles. v/r Gordon PS, whoever assumed no one north of the Mason/Dixon would know who Tereshkova was needs to remember that it was a space *race*, and Americans sure as heck knew who else was in the race. As for painting all Americans with the broad-brush term of "Yankee", well, that's just plain quaint. The classic cartoon: the foreign tour guild apologizing for the "Yankee go home" painted on the wall to which one of the tourist replies "That's all right, we all's from the south."
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#79
October 19th 03, 08:09 AM
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"Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" wrote in message ... Fred J. McCall wrote: (D.K.) wrote: :P.S. First American woman in space was what - 20 years after :Tereshkova? Yes, the difference being that we didn't send one until she had an actual purpose in being there. 'Parachute packer in a can' as a 'first' is hardly something to be beating your chest about. Sour grapes? I believe that in addition to the obvioous political political purpose, they even manufactured a set of 'opportunity knocks' scientific, medical, purposes for launching her. As a slight parallel, What was the purpose of Senator John Glenns' 1998, STS-95 return trip into space? Political pay back mixed with publicity stunt.
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#80
October 19th 03, 08:58 AM
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