Most Competitive Club Class Ship

Hello Guys, with the present handicaps, whats the most competitive ship for Club class competition? Does the Cirrus still have the edge?
Dan

On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 12:44:22 PM UTC-4, wrote:
Hello Guys, with the present handicaps, whats the most competitive ship for Club class competition? Does the Cirrus still have the edge?
Dan

Whatever ship Sarah decides to fly.

T8

On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 12:44:22 PM UTC-4, wrote:
Hello Guys, with the present handicaps, whats the most competitive ship for Club class competition? Does the Cirrus still have the edge?
Dan

Where do you fly? Different "most competitive" in different areas.

Dan, looking for the overall ship. I fly east coast so yeh the “floaters� are gonna have a slight edge. Same goes for “runners� in strong western conditions. Overall, it looks like the Cirrus does/scores pretty well in both situations.
Dan

At the FAI level it seems like it used to be Cirrus or Libelle, but then they changed the handicap and now its ASW-20.

Using US handicaps it seems to be Discus 2 or LS-8. At least you have the option of being competitive in 2 classes that way

I still like my Cirrus!

Thanks Tony, thats what I was looking for. I love the libelle but though there are some exceptional libelle drivers out there, it seems they just can’t get high up there with the tasking and the present assigned handicap. It looks like the asw20 is the way to go. I can’t afford the discus or the 8 lol. How does the asw19 stack up?
Dan

On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 1:58:37 PM UTC-4, wrote:
Thanks Tony, thats what I was looking for. I love the libelle but though there are some exceptional libelle drivers out there, it seems they just can’t get high up there with the tasking and the present assigned handicap. It looks like the asw20 is the way to go. I can’t afford the discus or the 8 lol. How does the asw19 stack up?
Dan

Mid range, like '19, LS-4, maybe Discus, is a good place to be. Lower performance ships have a slight following advantage, but not quite as much range..
Keep in mind that Std in the US has limited handicapping so something like an LS-4 or Discus, or ASW-24 can be competitive in Std, Club, and Sports. 3 classes with one ship.
FWIW
UH

On Friday, 3 April 2020 20:52:08 UTC+3, Tony wrote:
At the FAI level it seems like it used to be Cirrus or Libelle, but then they changed the handicap and now its ASW-20.


If the question is: "what glider has way too low handicap for it's performance in current FAI list", the answer is LS7.

That we make these questions, and can answer them, tells a lot about quality of FAI handicaps.

On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 10:31:31 PM UTC-6, krasw wrote:
On Friday, 3 April 2020 20:52:08 UTC+3, Tony wrote:
At the FAI level it seems like it used to be Cirrus or Libelle, but then they changed the handicap and now its ASW-20.


If the question is: "what glider has way too low handicap for it's performance in current FAI list", the answer is LS7.

That we make these questions, and can answer them, tells a lot about quality of FAI handicaps.

I think the Phoebus A would be in the running as well. The polar really drops off as it picks up speed, with a VNE of only 108 knots.

On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 12:44:22 PM UTC-4, wrote:
Hello Guys, with the present handicaps, whats the most competitive ship for Club class competition? Does the Cirrus still have the edge?
Dan

Dan, I would go with the ASW24