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"Bill Negraeff" wrote in message
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Depends on your perspective. How stupid was it for the US to ally
themselves with the Mujehedin against a moderate and secular Afghan
government simply because that government had strong Soviet ties?

They didnt, they allied with the Mjuahedding against a
soviet puppet government which overthrew he moderate
secular government.

Keith

From: (Denyav)
Date: 9/14/2004 1:37 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

You are repeating yourself without providing any proof.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

And you are repeating yourself without even checking recently released DOE
documents.
1)Where the extra Uran came from if it did not come from Germany?
From Saddams WMD stocks maybe?

2)How a scientist like Dr.Alvares who could not produce even one succesful
igniter design in previous 18 month ,suddenly designed an excellent igniter
at
the very last moment after checking U-234 cargo and debriefing of
Dr.Schlicke?
What was the reason of sudden IQ boost Dr.Alvares experienced?

Accept it famous Manhattan Prolect was not even able to figure out how much
uran they needed for an Uran bomb before Feb.45, and they were NEVER able to
design a succesful igniter for Plutonium bomb.

But this is an Anglo dominated country and "lmage is Everything".
So try to save the image by all means even if there is a huge difference
between the image and the reality.

Where are your your cites. Can you provide a link to these DOE reports or any
sites that prove anything you have said?

I didn't think so.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

From: (Denyav)
Date: 9/14/2004 2:25 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

1945.1 (= Jan 1945) [U. S. A.] An ignition device for implosion
completed by Luis W. Alvarez.
http://www.ask.ne.jp/~hankaku/english/np7y.html

That was some 4 months before the U-234 episode.

Actually Dr.Alvares completed not one but Three (3) ignitor designs,but none
of
them were succesful.Thats the reason why I say "He was unable to produce
even
one succesful ignitor design in 18 months"

The last one that delivered to test only hours before was fourth design.

Poor showing of Alvares' first three designs was very well known and
documented
fact.
So everbody,including many top Manhattan Projecters were surprised by the
excellent showing of this fourth design in actual test.
After the war ,Alvares always dodged questions about this problem his answer
was always "Well.I cleaned up some wires",.
Well its of course not so simple like Dr.Alvarez made us to believe.
According to Harlow Russ,this fourth design was totally different from the
previous three and included two radical new components and according to Russ
new design these new design was completed "just in time" for trinity test
which
explains why the new bomb components arrived to the test site only hours
before
actual test.

Alvares' first three designs which your link refers to were so bad that
almost nobody within Manhattan Project believe in success of of Plutonium
bomb
test so they concentrated on how to reclaim precious Plutonium from the test
site after failed test.
But to the surprise of the all Manhattan Projecters yield of test was four
times better than their most optimistic estimates.

Why?
Because instead of Dr.Alvarez' junk,superior German technology,or more
precisely the product of universal and eccentric genius von Ardenne, was at
the
work in Trinity test site.

Yet you still refuse to cite verifyable source.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"B2431" wrote in message
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From: (Denyav)
Date: 9/14/2004 2:25 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

1945.1 (= Jan 1945) [U. S. A.] An ignition device for implosion
completed by Luis W. Alvarez.
http://www.ask.ne.jp/~hankaku/english/np7y.html

That was some 4 months before the U-234 episode.

Actually Dr.Alvares completed not one but Three (3) ignitor designs,but
none
of
them were succesful.Thats the reason why I say "He was unable to produce
even
one succesful ignitor design in 18 months"

The last one that delivered to test only hours before was fourth design.

Poor showing of Alvares' first three designs was very well known and
documented
fact.
So everbody,including many top Manhattan Projecters were surprised by the
excellent showing of this fourth design in actual test.
After the war ,Alvares always dodged questions about this problem his
answer
was always "Well.I cleaned up some wires",.
Well its of course not so simple like Dr.Alvarez made us to believe.
According to Harlow Russ,this fourth design was totally different from
the
previous three and included two radical new components and according to
Russ
new design these new design was completed "just in time" for trinity test
which
explains why the new bomb components arrived to the test site only hours
before
actual test.

Alvares' first three designs which your link refers to were so bad that
almost nobody within Manhattan Project believe in success of of Plutonium
bomb
test so they concentrated on how to reclaim precious Plutonium from the
test
site after failed test.
But to the surprise of the all Manhattan Projecters yield of test was four
times better than their most optimistic estimates.

Why?
Because instead of Dr.Alvarez' junk,superior German technology,or more
precisely the product of universal and eccentric genius von Ardenne, was
at
the
work in Trinity test site.

Yet you still refuse to cite verifyable source.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Go easy on him! It was a guy in a pub, right? And guys in pubs never lie...



John

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ...
"Bill Negraeff" wrote in message
om...


Depends on your perspective. How stupid was it for the US to ally
themselves with the Mujehedin against a moderate and secular Afghan
government simply because that government had strong Soviet ties?

They didnt, they allied with the Mjuahedding against a
soviet puppet government which overthrew he moderate
secular government.

Keith

Check your history, Keith.

They didnt, they allied with the Mjuahedding against a
soviet puppet government which overthrew he moderate
secular government.


Names and terms like "Zbigniew Brzezenski" and "The Afghan Trap" reminds you
something?

In The Great Game first the game area are selected then proxies,not other way
around.

o easy on him! It was a guy in a pub, right? And guys in pubs never lie...


Actually name of the guy in the pub was no other than Harlow Russ.

LOL

wrote in message ...
On 9 Sep 2004 13:44:10 -0700, (Eunometic)
wrote:


The US has a history of using islamic based insurgence as a wedge
against various European countries. The behaviour of the US during
the Yugoslave/Bosnian/Kosovo issues was highly pro-islamic,

So you think the Serbs had a right to just kill and expell all the
muslims in Kosovo?

You are sick.

If that is your history of "using islamic based insurgence as a
wedge," you are also laughably pathetic.

Look mr. before YOU write ANYTHING about FRY, get to learn some
facts who has been living in Kosovo and which nationality/religion they
are/were. Just to give you a tip:

-Kosovo is INTEGRAL PART of Serbia (not Serbia and Montenegro) as much as
some county in the State of New York. That's the bloody Constitution of
Serbia states since 1945. It is not a "republic". It has as much right to
split as much as you have to split your municipality from your country. It
was simply "envisaged" as a part where overall ethnic minorities are in
majority! Go blame Tito for that!

- "Kosovars" do not exist, they are ALBANIANS of CHATOLIC as well as of
MUSLIM nationality (Chatolic in lesser percent). The ratio Albanians:Serbs
was roughly 80:20% BEFORE 1999 (not 1991!), now it is 96-97 percent
ALBANIANS, 2-3 percent SERBS and 1 percent others (including NATO).

Since you probably heard about Kosovo in 1999 or earliest in 1991, you
should know that former Yugoslavia was uncusesfully fighting Albanian
nationalism and separatism in Kosovo since 1980 when Tito died. The product
of such dissapointment was a Sebian nationalism, and Milosevic appeared like
Hitler appeared after the Crisis in 1933. Then other "Great fathers of
nation" appeared after him. Then all the hell broke loose in entire former
Yu.

- Milosevic is a WAR CRIMINAL that should be condemned because he, Tudjman
and Alija f***d up Croatia (10-11% Serbs 1991, now around 3%-"replaced" by
Croatian refugees from Bosnia, thanks to Karadjordjevo and a handkerchif
map) and B&H that was, before the war, shuffled with Muslims, Croats and
Serbs at equal rate.

Those three "leaders" above literally polarized the country(ies, Croatia and
B&H) to Serbian, Croatian and Muslim part despite claims of EU and SFOR or
NATO. The "Migty Trio" created such national movements in B&H (and Croatia)
unseen since the times of Otoman Empire.

And this happened in the heart of Europe in the late 20 Century.

NATO was "sooo kind" and allowed ethnic cleansing of SERBS, not ALBANIANS on
Kosovo AFTER they came in Kosovo. Milosevic was still in power when they
arrived because he is/was not interested in Serbian people but to have
POWER. When Yugoslav Army left Kosovo, qute soon so did the Serbs. If you do
not believe, go to Pristina today and try to utter a word in Serbian and you
will be lucky not to get beaten. Up to 1999, you could hear an Albanian talk
in Albanian in BELGRADE on BELGRADE TELEVISION that he is from Kosovo and
that he is in a "foreign country". Say that in Pristina as a Serb and you
will get KILLED. Any NATO/UN/EU "low level" foreign worker that mingles with
people in Kosovo knows this.

The gross misunderstanding and tackling of the "Balkan stuff" of Europe
towards Balkans since Austro-Hungarian Empire, up 'till European Community
and USA now, has ALWAYS resulted not just in killed Muslims, but Croats and
Serbs too.

Where were you when a Milosevic's pion Babic was forcing 150,000+ Croats out
from self-proclaimed "Republic of Serbian Krayina" (part of Croatia) in
1991-95? Where were you when Tudjman forced out around 350,000+ Serbs in
August 1995 from entire Croatia and "imported" Croat from B&H? Where were
you when those Croats were forced to get out of Bosnia from, let's say,
Kakanj or Prozor or Tuzla (from Muslims) and to move to Croatia? Where were
you when those Muslims were forced out from Banja Luka by Serbs who fled
before Muslims in Sarajevo? Where were you when the Serbs were forced out of
Drvar and 99% Serbian-populated Drvar is now 99% Croat-refugees populated
Drvar? Do you know the numbers of Serbian, Cratian, Muslim and Albanian
people in mass graves "produced" by all three/four nationalities and who
shot or slauthered them?

It is a Vicious Circle.

Mister, you should have been here. It is not called "Balkanian Cauldron" for
nothing or because after some dish.

We, the ordinary people that suffered consequences from this war (being
bashed, killed, tortured, displaced, hungry, dirty...) do not CARE who
started it anymore. This was not WW2, this was a CIVIL WAR.

Now go and explain Fmr Yu history 1991-1999 and beyond to somebody who does
not live here. In Balkans.


Nele

NULLA ROSA SINE SPINA

"Bill Negraeff" wrote in message because that
government had strong Soviet ties?

They didnt, they allied with the Mjuahedding against a
soviet puppet government which overthrew he moderate
secular government.

Keith

Check your history, Keith.

I have - read the following

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...troduction.htm

Keith

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ...
"Bill Negraeff" wrote in message because that
government had strong Soviet ties?

They didnt, they allied with the Mjuahedding against a
soviet puppet government which overthrew he moderate
secular government.

Keith

Check your history, Keith.

I have - read the following

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...troduction.htm

Keith


Another Anglo misinformation organization..
If you really want to learn what "Afghan Trap" meant and how it was
set you must read what the main architect of "The Afgan Trap"
,Zbigniew Brzezesinki told about events in Afghanistan.
Anyone who wants to learn the truth about this issue must check out
the interview with Brzezinski appeared in french journal Le Nouvel
Observateur in 98.

Apparently non-Anglo top US strategists are not very fond of twisting
facts.