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Beginner, Parachutes?
toad wrote:
The clubs (that I know) don't own parachutes and most non- owners don't either. Most European clubs have the policy to fly strictly with chute only. They usually own a chute for each seat of their fleet. |
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In message , John Smith
writes wrote: Depends on the club culture. Also, it's considered poor taste to be the only occupant of an aircraft wearing a parachute so while taking instruction you'd need This doesn't make any sense at all. I would consider it very poor taste if the instructor wore a chute and refused one to the student (or a passenger), but definitely not vice versa. Actually, I would refuse to take lessons from an instructor who was stupid enough to even consider to fly a glider without a chute, for whatever mission. Even if he doesn't fit in with a parachute because he's well over 6' tall? -- Surfer! Email to: ramwater at uk2 dot net |
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At 20:41 26 November 2008, Surfer! wrote:
In message , Andy writes On Nov 26, 6:54*am, Andreas Maurer wrote: one at 400 ft (non-connected elavator during winch launch). Wow, that's impressive! Was the glider in an uncontrolled climb when the bale out was initiated or had the cable broken? I heard a story about a guy with an ASW19 who realised the elevator wasn't connected when winch launching, and what I think I heard was that he waited until it reached the top of the climb and jumped, successfully. The other part of the story was that he had rigged the glider and correctly connected the tailplane and someone else took it off for some reason and refitted it without connecting it, and that the miscreant went on to be an AAIB investigator.. Dunno how much of this (if any) is true though! -- Surfer! Email to: ramwater at uk2 dot net Actually, there is a strong rumour circulating that he became, and still is, editor of a CAA Safety publication. Don't know who started it though... ;o) |
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At 15:11 27 November 2008, Andreas Maurer wrote:
On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:14:17 -0800 (PST), Andy wrote: On Nov 26, 6:54*am, Andreas Maurer wrote: one at 400 ft (non-connected elavator during winch launch). Wow, that's impressive! Was the glider in an uncontrolled climb when the bale out was initiated or had the cable broken? I can only quote the reply to your posting: --- snip --- I heard a story about a guy with an ASW19 who realised the elevator wasn't connected when winch launching, and what I think I heard was that he waited until it reached the top of the climb and jumped, successfully. --- snip --- You only need to replace the term "guy" with "girl". Bye Andreas No. It was a guy. ;o) |
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On 28 Nov 2008 17:15:04 GMT, Al Eddie wrote:
No. It was a guy. Then it's a guy who got a child last year - I know her personally. Bye Andreas |
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On Nov 27, 2:47*pm, John Smith wrote:
Bottom line is: yes, you can bail out successfully from winch launch height. I was impressed by a sucessful bail out from 400ft. That's a huge difference from doing it at the top of a typical winch launch. So Andreas what is the full story? Did she realize she had a problem at the start of the launch and decide to get out at 400ft and then actually depart the aircraft at top of launch, or did she really get out at 400ft? Andy |
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On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:45:22 +0100, Andreas Maurer wrote:
On 28 Nov 2008 17:15:04 GMT, Al Eddie wrote: No. It was a guy. Then it's a guy who got a child last year - I know her personally. Then its happened at least twice. I'd heard about it happening to a bloke in the UK but not to a woman until you told the story. The UK case, as I heard it told, involved the pilot rigging and doing positives before going into the club house for something. While he was away somebody else showed a student how to remove and fit the tailplane but put it back wrong. He also must have failed to do a positive or tell the pilot that he'd interfered with the glider. -- martin@ | Martin Gregorie gregorie. | Essex, UK org | |
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I heard the same story as Martin G. I have also been to a UK gliding club
where it is now a requirement to do a second PCC at the launchpoint, in addition to having done one when first rigging. I wondered if it was the same club where the UK event happened? I also wonder if the person who removed and replaced the tailplane incorrectly is the same one that Al Eddie referred to? Chris N. |
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At 01:30 26 November 2008, Don Johnstone wrote:
At 07:52 25 November 2008, Surfer! wrote: At my club they get a short parachute talk beforehand, and there is at least one person whose life was saved on his first flight by the parachute, when the K21 got hit by lightening. Think that was near Dunstable but don't hold me to it. You are correct and in the report the investigators suggest that the wearing of a parachute on composite structure gliders is a good idea as they have little or no protection against strikes. The AAIB report makes interesting reading and can be found here. http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources...pdf_500699.pdf It should also be said that the "student" was a fully qualified parachutist. |
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On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 06:57:11 -0800 (PST), Andy
wrote: I was impressed by a sucessful bail out from 400ft. That's a huge difference from doing it at the top of a typical winch launch. So Andreas what is the full story? Did she realize she had a problem at the start of the launch and decide to get out at 400ft and then actually depart the aircraft at top of launch, or did she really get out at 400ft? She realized immediately after takeoff that her elevator wasn't connected, and the ASW-19 was relcutant to enter a steady climb - it climbed in a wavelike motion. So she stayed in the glider until she felt that it had reached its maximum altitude, and bailed out at the moment the glider was flying horizontally. Bye Andreas |
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