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The panel in my glider is the ultimate in sunlight readability, low
power consumption, ease of use, low maintenance, low clutter and low
cost.

http://www.gfbyars.com/SGU1-20/final/P1010425.JPG

If you want to see terrain features, look out the window. If you want
to know where you are, look at your map. If you want to know how far
you are from the turnpoint, put your ruler on the map and measure.

If you want to mess with computers, USB input devices and VGA
displays, why not just stay at the office.

Guy Byars

On Sep 12, 9:32*pm, Guy Byars wrote:
The panel in my glider is the ultimate in sunlight readability, low
power consumption, ease of use, low maintenance, low clutter and low
cost.

http://www.gfbyars.com/SGU1-20/final/P1010425.JPG

If you want to see terrain features, look out the window. *If you want
to know where you are, look at your map. *If you want to know how far
you are from the turnpoint, put your ruler on the map and measure.

If you want to mess with computers, USB input devices and VGA
displays, why not just stay at the office.

Guy Byars

I see you have the Cosmiboy 5000 in there. AKA the pellet vario.

Al

Guy Byars wrote:
The panel in my glider is the ultimate in sunlight readability, low
power consumption, ease of use, low maintenance, low clutter and low
cost.

http://www.gfbyars.com/SGU1-20/final/P1010425.JPG

If you want to see terrain features, look out the window. If you want
to know where you are, look at your map. If you want to know how far
you are from the turnpoint, put your ruler on the map and measure.

If you want to mess with computers, USB input devices and VGA
displays, why not just stay at the office.

Guy Byars

I must admit that you have a point with that way of reasoning. Sometimes
you wander why you have so many things in the cockpit that almost
require a masters degree to operate.

When our club switched the old paper barographs and cameras to GPS
loggers everything was said to be much easier and therefore promote more
people flying XC-tasks.

Instead we have a situation with constant upgrades, modifications,
"enhancements" and what not.

A lot of talk about flying XC is now revolving around how to handle all
the gizmos we bring with us in order to "help".

I have a Cambrige 302 and HP Ipaq with See You Mobile in my LS6-b and
even this pretty basic (nowadays) setup is driving me crazy sometimes.

/Anders

Ah, the good old days! Wondering where I was, wondering how far it
was to the nearest landable field, wondering how much altitude it
would take to get there?................Now days all I have to do is
'wonder' where the lift is? Can some computer wiz please solve this
final remaining problem?
JJ

On Sep 13, 8:25*am, JJ Sinclair wrote:
Ah, the good old days! *

Wondering where I was,

Look out the window, then look at your map.


wondering how far it was to the nearest landable field,

Again, look out the window...


wondering how much altitude it would take to get there?

Again look out the window, though at an L/D of 20:1, the altiude
estimate is pretty easy.


Now days all I have to do is 'wonder' where the lift is? *

Looking out the window should give you a clue.


Collision avoidance system?

Look out the window.


I like the simplicity of the pellet variometer, though I do confess I
miss total energy.

Guy Byars

I have to agree with this philosophy to a large degree...the only
instruments that are always reliable (nearly always) and the only ones that
don't take massive amounts of time, effort, and usual frustrations are the
mechanical devices...they've been working pretty reliable since Glen Curtis
and the Wright Brothers were in competition. Though everyone who's designing
and promoting glass displays is trying to add the features already reliably
covered by the mechanical instruments....there is something about the way
mechanical instruments display that is more the way we perceptively feel
what the aircraft is doing.
tim
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"Guy Byars" wrote in message
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The panel in my glider is the ultimate in sunlight readability, low
power consumption, ease of use, low maintenance, low clutter and low
cost.

http://www.gfbyars.com/SGU1-20/final/P1010425.JPG

If you want to see terrain features, look out the window. If you want
to know where you are, look at your map. If you want to know how far
you are from the turnpoint, put your ruler on the map and measure.

If you want to mess with computers, USB input devices and VGA
displays, why not just stay at the office.

Guy Byars

On Sep 13, 7:08*am, "Tim Mara" wrote:
I have to agree with this philosophy to a large degree...the only
instruments that are always reliable (nearly always) and the only ones that
don't take massive amounts of time, effort, and usual frustrations are the
mechanical devices...they've been working pretty reliable since Glen Curtis
and the Wright Brothers were in competition. Though everyone who's designing
and promoting glass displays is trying to add the *features already reliably
covered by the mechanical instruments....there is something about the way
mechanical instruments display that is more the way we perceptively feel
what the aircraft is doing.
tim
Please visit the Wings & Wheels website atwww.wingsandwheels.com

"Guy Byars" wrote in message

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The panel in my glider is the ultimate in sunlight readability, low
power consumption, ease of use, low maintenance, low clutter and low
cost.

http://www.gfbyars.com/SGU1-20/final/P1010425.JPG

If you want to see terrain features, look out the window. *If you want
to know where you are, look at your map. *If you want to know how far
you are from the turnpoint, put your ruler on the map and measure.

If you want to mess with computers, USB input devices and VGA
displays, why not just stay at the office.

Guy Byars- Hide quoted text -

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Tim,
the situation is a little different for those of us new to the sport;
an audio vario and a PNA set up with a very simple screen can get us
farther away, safer, sooner than messing with a chart and a scale
while learning how to thermal.

The combination of an IPAQ 310 with a simple SYM screen is pretty
simple to use, readable 95% of the time, and distracts very little
while giving you an accurate idea of what you can make and what you
can't. Not that expensive either.

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sooner than messing with a chart and a scale while learning how to thermal.


I submit to you that more "messing" has been done with gps's and PDA
hardware/software in flight than has EVER been done with charts and
scales.

On Sep 13, 8:34*am, Guy Byars wrote:
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*sooner than messing with a chart and a scale while learning how to thermal.

I submit to you that more "messing" has been done with gps's and PDA
hardware/software in flight than has EVER been done with charts and
scales.

I never had to re-boot my sectional.

That said - I do like being able to dial up alternates when I'm flying
over tiger country.

9B

On Sep 13, 10:34*am, Guy Byars wrote:
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*sooner than messing with a chart and a scale while learning how to thermal.

I submit to you that more "messing" has been done with gps's and PDA
hardware/software in flight than has EVER been done with charts and
scales.

Have to disagree with you there a bit, Guy. A PDA/GPS moving map is
fundamentally just a chart that knows where you are - so you don't
have to find it in the cockpit, refold it, orient it, then look back
and forth from the ground to the chart trying to convince yourself
which town you are over. Used correctly (like any tool , including a
chart) it shouldn't take much time away from your lookout, and should
actually be much faster than a chart, especially over new terrain (as
in at a contest on on a safari). Used incorrectly, I do agree that
all the cockpit magic and blue smoke can become a terrible
distraction.

We went through the same learning process when fighters (F-4s in my
case) were modernized with reliable, accurate navigation equipment,
way back in the 80s - it took a while to learn NOT to use all the
magic, but instead to just use what was needed. Always fun to pull up
on a guy after an unobserved Fox 2 and see both pilot and WSO heads
down trying to figure out what the ones and zeros were telling them!
Nowadays, if the magic doesn't work, you don't go (you might drop a
smart weapon on the CNN van - the one parked between the orphanage and
the nunnery - instead of the bad guy's bomb factory).

Same applies to current glider nav computers - just because it can
tell you something, doesn't mean you really need to know it in real
time. I'm amazed by the amount of (to me, at least) unimportant info
most people cram on their little PDA displays! I'm down to just a
simple map (no terrain unless on ridges), airports with L/D needed,
course line (if on a task), track line, and winds on my primary SYM
map - all that I need to navigate at a glance and spend more time
"looking out the window"!

I will admit to the guilty pleasure of taking up a nice K-13 or sports
canopy 1-26 with nothing really working but the airspeed indicator and
flying by the seat of the pants, to coin a phrase...

Cheers!

Kirk
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