How many in this club?

Just curious as to how many of us are in the "Flunked a Checkride" club.
It seems that the fail rate for the IFR checkride is more prevalent than
the Private. So swallow that false pride and speak up. I'll be first. I
flunked my IFR checkride by busting on holding pattern entry. Anyone
else? Cecil? Jeff? :-)

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
Student Mooney Owner

On 12/18/04 8:41 AM, in article ,
"Jon Kraus" wrote:

Just curious as to how many of us are in the "Flunked a Checkride" club.
It seems that the fail rate for the IFR checkride is more prevalent than
the Private. So swallow that false pride and speak up. I'll be first. I
flunked my IFR checkride by busting on holding pattern entry. Anyone
else? Cecil? Jeff? :-)

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
Student Mooney Owner


I'm #2.
I took my IFR checkride twice and honestly can't say I'm embarrassed about
it. It keeps me humble in the cockpit.
--
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Jon Kraus ) wrote:

I flunked my IFR checkride by busting on holding pattern entry.

Could you provide more details of this? Was it that you flew outside
the protected airspace of the hold that caused your bust, or was it that
you used the incorrect entry but stayed within the confines of the hold?

I ask this because when I took my checkride a couple of years ago, both
the flight school and ultimately the examiner *de-emphasized* the need
for the correct type of entry. In other words, if a student didn't
execute the correct entry, s/he would still pass as long as s/he did get
established and did not fly outside of the protected airspace of the
hold while doing so.


--
Peter

I flunked my checkride for private. I was flying a C-150 mostly in the
mornings to avoid the turbulence from thermals and gusts. I took my
checkride in the 150 on a hot, gusty day. The examiner, after flunking me,
said if I could do four good crosswind landings I would pass. So I did a
hundred practice landings, then did four bad crosswind landings for the
examiner and passed.

Now I can handle crosswinds better than many of the pilots I fly with,
because I took them as a personal challenge.

What I learned: Don't avoid flying in thermals, gusts and crosswinds unless
they are beyond reason, tighten up the lapbelt and get used to the bumps.

Kevin Dunlevy

"Jon Kraus" wrote in message
...
Just curious as to how many of us are in the "Flunked a Checkride" club.
It seems that the fail rate for the IFR checkride is more prevalent than
the Private. So swallow that false pride and speak up. I'll be first. I
flunked my IFR checkride by busting on holding pattern entry. Anyone
else? Cecil? Jeff? :-)

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
Student Mooney Owner

Peter,
Basically I got confused and didn't even get to do the hold because I
forgot where in the hell I was... By the time I got it figured out it
was too late. I really got down on myself and was humbled and
embarrassed. ut, at this point it is a distant memory and I don't think
too much about it other than it was a great learning experience.

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
Student Mooney Owner

Peter R. wrote:
Jon Kraus ) wrote:


I flunked my IFR checkride by busting on holding pattern entry.


Could you provide more details of this? Was it that you flew outside
the protected airspace of the hold that caused your bust, or was it that
you used the incorrect entry but stayed within the confines of the hold?

I ask this because when I took my checkride a couple of years ago, both
the flight school and ultimately the examiner *de-emphasized* the need
for the correct type of entry. In other words, if a student didn't
execute the correct entry, s/he would still pass as long as s/he did get
established and did not fly outside of the protected airspace of the
hold while doing so.

Jon, you are NOT alone at all. In fact, from conversations with some other
pilots, I'm certain we could assemble a sizeable club of individuals who
didn't pass their Instrument on the first try.
So, if it's any relief to you; you are NOT alone in not having passed the
IFR checkride the first time. GRIN

I passed on the THIRD time. The first checkride I mussed it on my hold,
then immediately after (while still kicking myself for messing up the hold)
I messed up on the ILS approach (which was weird because I was looking
forward to 'showing it off' since I had done so well before). The second
time I passed everything I had missed before but then messed up when asked
to do a hold at an arbitrarily selected intersection -- not a regular 'hold'
intersection with a leg described by an airway. It then occurred to me,
short of drawing it on the enroute chart, that I had NO method of
'picturing' the arbitrary hold (that is a hold withOUT at least one victor
airway as a leg). Thankfully, when this happened I was doing it on the sim
and after the D.E. left for an hour or so, while I got a quick method of
determining the entry for any hold from an available CFII (without having a
drawing or an actual airway as a leg of the hold). The D.E. came back an
hour or so later (filling out the dreaded no-pass slip for the second time
((but different issue))) retested me and I did fine and got my pass slip, on
my THIRD try argh

So, I accumulated two of the dreaded no-pass slips and passed my Instrument
Checkride on the third. So, passing was more of a 'relief' at that point
than a joyous celebration (which came a week later g). The D.E. was
nothing but nice as possible and told me after I finally got the pass that
in his opinion the Instrument Checkride was easily among the hardest.


--
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Good Flights!

Cecil
PP-ASEL-IA
Student - CP-ASEL

Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the
checkride AND the continuing adventures beyond!
Complete with pictures and text at: www.bayareapilot.com

"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery -

"We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with
this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"
- Cecil Day Lewis -
on holding pattern entry. Anyone
else? Cecil? Jeff? :-)

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
Student Mooney Owner

Peter,
Basically I got confused and didn't even get to do the hold because I
forgot where in the hell I was... By the time I got it figured out it
was too late. Then on the retest I got nervous and did the same thing
again (another bust) I really got down on myself and was humbled and
embarrassed. The third time aas the charm. I wasn't nervous because I
knew I would pass this time and I was right. At this point it is a
distant memory and I don't think too much about it other than it was a
great learning experience.

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
Student Mooney Owner

Peter R. wrote:
Jon Kraus ) wrote:


I flunked my IFR checkride by busting on holding pattern entry.


Could you provide more details of this? Was it that you flew outside
the protected airspace of the hold that caused your bust, or was it that
you used the incorrect entry but stayed within the confines of the hold?

I ask this because when I took my checkride a couple of years ago, both
the flight school and ultimately the examiner *de-emphasized* the need
for the correct type of entry. In other words, if a student didn't
execute the correct entry, s/he would still pass as long as s/he did get
established and did not fly outside of the protected airspace of the
hold while doing so.

Cecil,
I knew you and I had a lot of things in common. :-)

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
Student Mooney Owner

Cecil Chapman wrote:

Jon, you are NOT alone at all. In fact, from conversations with some other
pilots, I'm certain we could assemble a sizeable club of individuals who
didn't pass their Instrument on the first try.
So, if it's any relief to you; you are NOT alone in not having passed the
IFR checkride the first time. GRIN

I passed on the THIRD time. The first checkride I mussed it on my hold,
then immediately after (while still kicking myself for messing up the hold)
I messed up on the ILS approach (which was weird because I was looking
forward to 'showing it off' since I had done so well before). The second
time I passed everything I had missed before but then messed up when asked
to do a hold at an arbitrarily selected intersection -- not a regular 'hold'
intersection with a leg described by an airway. It then occurred to me,
short of drawing it on the enroute chart, that I had NO method of
'picturing' the arbitrary hold (that is a hold withOUT at least one victor
airway as a leg). Thankfully, when this happened I was doing it on the sim
and after the D.E. left for an hour or so, while I got a quick method of
determining the entry for any hold from an available CFII (without having a
drawing or an actual airway as a leg of the hold). The D.E. came back an
hour or so later (filling out the dreaded no-pass slip for the second time
((but different issue))) retested me and I did fine and got my pass slip, on
my THIRD try argh

So, I accumulated two of the dreaded no-pass slips and passed my Instrument
Checkride on the third. So, passing was more of a 'relief' at that point
than a joyous celebration (which came a week later g). The D.E. was
nothing but nice as possible and told me after I finally got the pass that
in his opinion the Instrument Checkride was easily among the hardest.

"Jon Kraus" wrote:
Just curious as to how many of us are in the "Flunked a Checkride"
club. It seems that the fail rate for the IFR checkride is more
prevalent than the Private. So swallow that false pride and speak up.
I'll be first. I flunked my IFR checkride by busting on holding
pattern entry. Anyone else? Cecil? Jeff? :-)

As did about half the pilots I know, I busted one element of my IFR
'ride and had to retest it.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

Count me in. No details.

Bob Gardner

"Jon Kraus" wrote in message
...
Just curious as to how many of us are in the "Flunked a Checkride" club.
It seems that the fail rate for the IFR checkride is more prevalent than
the Private. So swallow that false pride and speak up. I'll be first. I
flunked my IFR checkride by busting on holding pattern entry. Anyone else?
Cecil? Jeff? :-)

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
Student Mooney Owner