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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
... In a Piper Cub or another taildragger, the ground loop is most often begun when sloppy rudder inputs, a gust of wind, or even P factor causes the aircraft to veer. As with a VW Beetle with the engine in the rear (or a Corvair, for that matter), once the vehicle begins to swap ends, it happens very fast, and it's very difficult to recover from. I like the rear engine analogy. Difference between the Beetle and the Corvair seems to have been that the Beetle didn't suffer from 'ground loops' very frequently. The Corvair was looking for them. My father owned 3 or 4 of them. In #3, we did the classic Corvair 'ground loop' plus some. I'm not sure to this day how many times we went around but I do know we ended up upside down on the convertible roof. Unsafe at any speed indeed! The Vdub bus seems to be immune too. Drove 3 of them in western PA snows and never had them try to swap ends. Passed a lot of stuck people too. But of course, they were one of the most lethal vehicles on the road. They weren't in a lot of accidents, but you stood a good chance of buying it if when they were. |
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Maule Driver wrote: They [VW vans] weren't in a lot of accidents, ..... That's only because there weren't very many cars on the road that you could catch if you were driving one. George Patterson The optimist feels that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist is afraid that he's correct. James Branch Cavel |
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Maule Driver wrote: Does the inside or outside wing tend to hit the ground once a ground loop is underway? The outside wing. George Patterson The optimist feels that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist is afraid that he's correct. James Branch Cavel |
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Big John wrote: It's sometimes known as Oooops! Gordon Baxter used to say that the method for handling a ground loop in a Stearman is to look straight ahead, turn loose of the stick, throw your hands over your head, and yell as loud as you can "OH SH*T!". George Patterson The optimist feels that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist is afraid that he's correct. James Branch Cavel |
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"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
... They [VW vans] weren't in a lot of accidents, ..... That's only because there weren't very many cars on the road that you could catch if you were driving one. But you didn't need cruise control. Just floor it. Tailwinds help too. |
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"john smith" wrote in message ... Mike wrote: I've read the term ground loop in a lot of articles and accident reports but what exactly is a ground loop? A ground loop is what happens when a taildragger pilot isn't fast enough on the rudder pedals to keep the tail from passing him/her while going down the runway. Because the center of gravity is behind the main landing gear on a taildragger, the tail of the airplane wants to swing around to the front. The center of gravity is forward of the main gear on a tricycle gear airplane, so the nose wants to stay out in front. Nose draggers make wonderful groundloopers and the repairs are much more costly than when a taildragger ground loops. |
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Dave Stadt wrote: Nose draggers make wonderful groundloopers and the repairs are much more costly than when a taildragger ground loops. Yes, but it takes a lot of skill to be able to groundloop a nosedragger; you almost have to work at it. Anybody can do it in a taildragger without hardly trying. George Patterson The optimist feels that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist is afraid that he's correct. James Branch Cavel |
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"Mike" wrote in message ... I've read the term ground loop in a lot of articles and accident reports but what exactly is a ground loop? It's a problem in the wiring that tends to cause a hum in the radios. |
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the outside wing will hit... with our Pawnee, the inside wing can drag.. and
then as you "high side" (motorcycle talk) the outside wing can contact the ground.. or if you've ever rolled a jeep when you get it side ways.. BT "G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ... Maule Driver wrote: Does the inside or outside wing tend to hit the ground once a ground loop is underway? The outside wing. George Patterson The optimist feels that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist is afraid that he's correct. James Branch Cavel |
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It's a problem in the wiring that tends to cause a hum in the radios. ROFL |
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