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Pribina Cup 2016 - Slovakia - Mid-Air?



 
 
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Old April 8th 16, 09:04 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Le jeudi 7 avril 2016 19:58:30 UTC+2, krasw a écrit*:
These accidents usually happen at pre start gaggles with dozens of gliders in same thermals. Flarm is useless there.


I have been with dozens of flarm-equipped gliders in pre-start gaggles. Flarm was very helpful in these situations, almost no false alarms.
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Old April 8th 16, 09:10 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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perjantai 8. huhtikuuta 2016 11.00.08 UTC+3 Justin Craig kirjoitti:
Do you fly comps?

At 17:58 07 April 2016, krasw wrote:
These accidents usually happen at pre start gaggles with dozens of

gliders
in same thermals. Flarm is useless there. Only thing that help is

disciple
and safety-oriented attitude, which these kamikaze pilots lack.


Of course I do.

Since statistics were called for, I extracted all accidents involving mid-air during competitions during last 5 seasons (data from Aviation Safety Network). Here are the results:

Eastern Europe: Poland (3), Slovakia (2), Czech (1): 6 accidents
USA: 3 accidents (incl. 1 in Uvalde worlds)
UK: 1 accident
Finland 1 accident

I maintain that this is not proportional to glider pilot population worldwide.
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Old April 8th 16, 11:38 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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W dniu piątek, 8 kwietnia 2016 10:11:01 UTC+2 użytkownik krasw napisał:
perjantai 8. huhtikuuta 2016 11.00.08 UTC+3 Justin Craig kirjoitti:
Do you fly comps?

At 17:58 07 April 2016, krasw wrote:
These accidents usually happen at pre start gaggles with dozens of

gliders
in same thermals. Flarm is useless there. Only thing that help is

disciple
and safety-oriented attitude, which these kamikaze pilots lack.


Of course I do.

Since statistics were called for, I extracted all accidents involving mid-air during competitions during last 5 seasons (data from Aviation Safety Network). Here are the results:

Eastern Europe: Poland (3), Slovakia (2), Czech (1): 6 accidents
USA: 3 accidents (incl. 1 in Uvalde worlds)
UK: 1 accident
Finland 1 accident

I maintain that this is not proportional to glider pilot population worldwide.


Oficial competition info from FAI:

Europe
44th Trofeo CittÃ* di Torino - Campionato Italiano 20m biposto 2016 Torino (Italy) 01 Apr to 10 Apr 2016
2016 FAI Qualifying Sailplane GP La Cerdanya (Spain) 17 Apr to 24 Apr 2016
2016 KLIX - international gliding cup Klix (Germany) 28 Apr to 06 May 2016
2016 Jeseniky Spring Cup Sumperk (Czech Rep.) 29 Apr to 07 May 2016
2016 Eskilstuna International Open Eskilstuna FK (Sweden) 30 Apr to 07 May 2016
2016 FAI Qualifying Sailplane GP Usman (Russia) 01 May to 08 May 2016
2016 FAI Qualifying Sailplane GP Varese (Italy) 14 May to 21 May 2016
2016 Kiewitcup Hasselt (Belgium) 14 May to 16 May 2016
2016 Czech Gliding Championship Moravská Třebová (Czech Rep.) 22 May to 04 Jun 2016
2016 Campionato Italiano Classe Unica Ferrara (Italy) 02 Jun 2016
2016 FAI Qualifying Sailplane GP Rennes - Saint Sulpice (France) 04 Jun to 11 Jun 2016
2016 Fly Pink Cup Ferrara (Italy) 05 Jun 2016
2016 FAI Qualifying Sailplane GP Niederöblarn (Austria) 18 Jun to 25 Jun 2016
2016 Swiss Open National Gliding Championship Schänis (Switzerland) 02 Jul to 09 Jul 2016
2016 Safari Cup Dvur Kralove n/L (Czech Rep.) 03 Jul to 15 Jul 2016
2016 T Cup Touzim (Czech Rep.) 09 Jul to 17 Jul 2016
2016 FAI Qualifying Sailplane GP Bicester (United Kingdom) 09 Jul to 17 Jul 2016
2016 Czech Regional Championship Zbraslavice (Czech Rep.) 10 Jul to 22 Jul 2016
34th FAI World Gliding Championships Pociunai, Kaunas (Lithuania) 30 Jul to 13 Aug 2016
2016 LashamGlide Lasham (United Kingdom) 30 Jul to 07 Aug 2016
2016 Coppa Internazionale del Mediterraneo Rieti (Italy) 01 Aug to 12 Aug 2016
2016 FAI Qualifying Sailplane GP Musbach (Germany) 06 Aug to 13 Aug 2016
2016 Coppa cittÃÃâ€*’ di Rieti Rieti (Italy) 14 Aug to 20 Aug 2016

Africa:
7th FAI World Sailplane Grand Prix Championship Potchefstroom (South Africa) 05 Nov to 12 Nov 2016

USA:
2016 FAI Qualifying Sailplane GP Ionia (USA) 24 Jul to 31 Jul 2016

I maintain that USA competitions is not proportional to glider competitions worldwide, especialy in Central (not East) Europe

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Old April 8th 16, 05:59 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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I would still be very interested to know if both aircrafts involved were using flarm, if it was in stealth mode, and if it happened in a big gaggle or not.
Also how you configure your display can significantly impact how usable the device is. If the volume is low it is rather useless unless you scan your instruments every few seconds.

Ramy
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Old April 8th 16, 06:56 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Flarm does not prevent these accidents. Most if not all gliders in European contests have flarms, it is often mandatory. I witnessed one of those fatal midairs (all had flarms, gaggle was gliding under cloudstreet). They still happen.
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Old April 9th 16, 10:51 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 6:56:18 PM UTC+1, krasw wrote:
Flarm does not prevent these accidents. Most if not all gliders in European contests have flarms, it is often mandatory. I witnessed one of those fatal midairs (all had flarms, gaggle was gliding under cloudstreet). They still happen.


could also be lack of training as it is one of the first competitions and so early in the season after the winter break
 




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