So what happens when 100LL is gone anyway?

Scott -

Most auto gas station pumps in WI & especially MN have only ethanol
laced fuel. But non-ethanol is available in WI at many pumps, and
there are a few pumps in MN at gas stations with a non-alcohol premium
in them. Both MN and WI also have unleaded fuel for airports and
marinas. Just keep asking your FBO for autofuel. He can get it if he
wants to - except maybe in California?

Michael wrote:
Yeah, but it would have to be an FAA-certified treatment. Can you see
the problem yet?

Why? You don't obey every single rule 100% of the time in your car,
why should your airplane be different?


Hmmm... the FAA ramp-nazis would love to hear that I tend to be
pretty conservative about my flying - probably because the margin for
error is much less than driving. If an additive was proven to be safe
and effective, then I would use it. I'd prefer it to have the feds'
blessing but that's another issue altogether I think.

Scott -

Most auto gas station pumps in WI & especially MN have only ethanol
laced fuel. But non-ethanol is available in WI at many pumps, and
there are a few pumps in MN at gas stations with a non-alcohol premium
in them. Both MN and WI also have unleaded fuel for airports and
marinas. Just keep asking your FBO for autofuel. He can get it if he
wants to - except maybe in California?

Good point!! Not sure exactly what the mix is for NASCAR, but one thing's
for sure......it's flammable :-)))
Dudley

"Morgans" wrote in message
...

"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote

Don't know about the small airplane folks, but the warbird guys are
going
to be mad as hell. We have the power back on a P51 now to 45 inches on
takeoff because of the fuel restriction. Any lower and the damn airplane
will be taking off at cruise power!! :-)

What about racing gas that NASCAR guys use? It would take special
arrangements to get it, but I think it is well over 100 octane.
--
Jim in NC

"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote in message
nk.net...
Good point!! Not sure exactly what the mix is for NASCAR, but one thing's
for sure......it's flammable :-)))

I think it is around 115 octane. Anyone out there know for sure?
--
Jim in NC

Corky Scott wrote:

Maybe sales just got so bad Peugeot simply gave up trying.

By the end of the 70s, almost none of the French makes could pass the EPA and
safety requirements for importation. Peugeot in particular was very dirty as far
as air pollution was concerned. IIRC, Citroen was the last make being sold in
Atlanta and was still imported as late as 1980.

George Patterson
Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry,
and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing?
Because she smells like a new truck.

Martin Hotze wrote:
Corky Scott wrote:

Also, at least during the 70's, (...)

That's how many generations in automobile development?

Depends on the country. Seems to be about 6 for Japanese makes. Appears to be 0
for British cars -- they all died off.

Corky was talking about French cars. I haven't seen a new one in this country
since 1979, so I have no idea what they're like now. The last one I saw in
Germany (a Renault in 1989) smoked almost as badly as a Traubant.

George Patterson
Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry,
and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing?
Because she smells like a new truck.

"Morgans" wrote in message
...

"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote in message
nk.net...
Good point!! Not sure exactly what the mix is for NASCAR, but one
thing's
for sure......it's flammable :-)))

I think it is around 115 octane. Anyone out there know for sure?

A quick google search turned up this:
http://www.motorsportsracingfuels.com/RacingFuel.html

I also remember some other racing fuels, but they didn't turn
up in a quick search.

To save you some page flipping I copied some of the numbers.

Sunoco racing fuels
Name, (R+M)/2, research, motor, color, price 54 gal drum
Standard, 110, 115, 105, purple, $281 (probably the old familiar Cam2)
Supreme, 112, 114, 110, blue, $335
Maximal, 116, 118, 114, red, $389
Max5, 116, 119, 113, lt red, $443
NOS, 117, 120, 113, lt red, $416
MO2X, 112, 115, 109, green, $424
MX114, 114, 118, 110, yellow, $???
unleaded
GT, 100, 105, 95, clear, $308
GT+, 104, 109, 99, lt blue, $314

Now, do you want to put the purple stuff in the airplane at $5.20 a gallon?
What about $7.70 a gallon for the NOS?

I also wonder what might happen if you mixed the cheaper 100LL
with the unleaded GT or GT+. Does the diluted lead content give
you an octane boost and if it does, by how much?

I won't even start on what the chemical composition of racing fuels might
do to gaskets and seals etc. on an airplane engine.

Maybe more google searches are in order.

Dudley

It's Nitro with a spot of Alky )

Big John
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On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 01:26:02 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
dhenriques@noware .net wrote:

Good point!! Not sure exactly what the mix is for NASCAR, but one thing's
for sure......it's flammable :-)))
Dudley

"Morgans" wrote in message
...

"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote

Don't know about the small airplane folks, but the warbird guys are
going
to be mad as hell. We have the power back on a P51 now to 45 inches on
takeoff because of the fuel restriction. Any lower and the damn airplane
will be taking off at cruise power!! :-)

What about racing gas that NASCAR guys use? It would take special
arrangements to get it, but I think it is well over 100 octane.
--
Jim in NC

"Big John" wrote in message
...
Dudley

It's Nitro with a spot of Alky )

Big John

Nascar gas? I don't think so. Straight petrol, I believe.

If someone can prove me wrong, go to it. I was wrong once last year, I
think! g
--
Jim in NC