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May 28th 07, 01:44 AM
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Coordinated turns without rudder, and autopilots
How do autopilots make coordinated turns even when they cannot control the
rudder? 
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May 28th 07, 02:34 AM
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On May 27, 5:44 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
How do autopilots make coordinated turns even when they cannot control the rudder? If they don't control the rudder, they do not make coordinated turns! --Dan
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May 28th 07, 02:11 PM
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Dan wrote:
On May 27, 5:44 pm, Mxsmanic wrote: How do autopilots make coordinated turns even when they cannot control the rudder? If they don't control the rudder, they do not make coordinated turns! --Dan Boy we have the blind leading the blind here. The whole point of that big vertical slab of metal sticking out of the ass-end of your airplane is to provide a natural tendency for the aircraft to fly coordinated. The pedals are just there for the outlying conditions (low speed, high AOA for example) and fine adjustment.
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May 28th 07, 02:58 PM
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Ron Natalie wrote:
Dan wrote: On May 27, 5:44 pm, Mxsmanic wrote: How do autopilots make coordinated turns even when they cannot control the rudder? If they don't control the rudder, they do not make coordinated turns! --Dan Boy we have the blind leading the blind here. The whole point of that big vertical slab of metal sticking out of the ass-end of your airplane is to provide a natural tendency for the aircraft to fly coordinated. The pedals are just there for the outlying conditions (low speed, high AOA for example) and fine adjustment. And now we have the three blind mice...
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May 28th 07, 04:59 PM
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On May 28, 8:11 am, Ron Natalie wrote:
Dan wrote: On May 27, 5:44 pm, Mxsmanic wrote: How do autopilots make coordinated turns even when they cannot control the rudder? If they don't control the rudder, they do not make coordinated turns! --Dan Boy we have the blind leading the blind here. The whole point of that big vertical slab of metal sticking out of the ass-end of your airplane is to provide a natural tendency for the aircraft to fly coordinated. The pedals are just there for the outlying conditions (low speed, high AOA for example) and fine adjustment. Ron... oh my goodness...get some time with a good book on the subject and then a CFI. Robert
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May 28th 07, 06:26 PM
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On May 28, 11:59 am, Luke Skywalker wrote:
On May 28, 8:11 am, Ron Natalie wrote: Dan wrote: On May 27, 5:44 pm, Mxsmanic wrote: How do autopilots make coordinated turns even when they cannot control the rudder? If they don't control the rudder, they do not make coordinated turns! --Dan Boy we have the blind leading the blind here. The whole point of that big vertical slab of metal sticking out of the ass-end of your airplane is to provide a natural tendency for the aircraft to fly coordinated. The pedals are just there for the outlying conditions (low speed, high AOA for example) and fine adjustment. Ron... oh my goodness...get some time with a good book on the subject and then a CFI. Robert- Hide quoted text - Ron is correct. The vertical fin makes the airplane weather-vane into the wind, and that's what co-ordination is all about. The rudder is there only to help the vertical stab do this job. A perfect airplane will not need rudder.
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May 28th 07, 08:12 PM
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On May 28, 10:26 am, Andrew Sarangan wrote:
On May 28, 11:59 am, Luke Skywalker wrote: On May 28, 8:11 am, Ron Natalie wrote: Dan wrote: On May 27, 5:44 pm, Mxsmanic wrote: How do autopilots make coordinated turns even when they cannot control the rudder? If they don't control the rudder, they do not make coordinated turns! --Dan Boy we have the blind leading the blind here. The whole point of that big vertical slab of metal sticking out of the ass-end of your airplane is to provide a natural tendency for the aircraft to fly coordinated. The pedals are just there for the outlying conditions (low speed, high AOA for example) and fine adjustment. Ron... oh my goodness...get some time with a good book on the subject and then a CFI. Robert- Hide quoted text - Ron is correct. The vertical fin makes the airplane weather-vane into the wind, and that's what co-ordination is all about. The rudder is there only to help the vertical stab do this job. A perfect airplane will not need rudder.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So where is this perfect airplane? I don't know about you, but I need the rudder pedals to fly the aircraft. --Dan
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#8
May 28th 07, 11:25 PM
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Andrew Sarangan wrote:
On May 28, 11:59 am, Luke Skywalker wrote: On May 28, 8:11 am, Ron Natalie wrote: Dan wrote: On May 27, 5:44 pm, Mxsmanic wrote: How do autopilots make coordinated turns even when they cannot control the rudder? If they don't control the rudder, they do not make coordinated turns! --Dan Boy we have the blind leading the blind here. The whole point of that big vertical slab of metal sticking out of the ass-end of your airplane is to provide a natural tendency for the aircraft to fly coordinated. The pedals are just there for the outlying conditions (low speed, high AOA for example) and fine adjustment. Ron... oh my goodness...get some time with a good book on the subject and then a CFI. Robert- Hide quoted text - Ron is correct. The vertical fin makes the airplane weather-vane into the wind, and that's what co-ordination is all about. The rudder is there only to help the vertical stab do this job. A perfect airplane will not need rudder. Not true. The vertical fin can only provide a weather-vane affect when a slip or skid has been induced. In coordinated flight there is no slip or skid and hence the fin provides no lateral force. When you begin a turn, most airplanes will induce adverse yaw and the rudder can counter than before a skid occurs. The fixed fin can only act once an uncoordinated condition has been induced. Sure, it does mitigate the skid or slip, but it absolutely can't prevent it as it can't provide a force until uncoordinated flight is already established. The rudder can do this and is why it is included. The rudder isn't there to help the vertical stab do its job, it is there to do a job that the vertical stab can't do. Matt
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May 29th 07, 01:02 AM
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On May 28, 12:26 pm, Andrew Sarangan wrote:
On May 28, 11:59 am, Luke Skywalker wrote: On May 28, 8:11 am, Ron Natalie wrote: Dan wrote: On May 27, 5:44 pm, Mxsmanic wrote: How do autopilots make coordinated turns even when they cannot control the rudder? If they don't control the rudder, they do not make coordinated turns! --Dan Boy we have the blind leading the blind here. The whole point of that big vertical slab of metal sticking out of the ass-end of your airplane is to provide a natural tendency for the aircraft to fly coordinated. The pedals are just there for the outlying conditions (low speed, high AOA for example) and fine adjustment. Ron... oh my goodness...get some time with a good book on the subject and then a CFI. Robert- Hide quoted text - Ron is correct. The vertical fin makes the airplane weather-vane into the wind, and that's what co-ordination is all about. The rudder is there only to help the vertical stab do this job. A perfect airplane will not need rudder.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No he is not. Mark W...said the word. Robert
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May 29th 07, 11:40 AM
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Luke Skywalker wrote:
\ Ron... oh my goodness...get some time with a good book on the subject and then a CFI. Robert I have plenty of good books and practice on the subject. You should find an aeronautical engineer and find out how planes are designed to work.
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