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Shirl writes:
I just had mine renewed last week. My BP was 102/62. They just said it was "good", nothing whatsoever about it being low. It's low, but low is generally good as long as it doesn't produce symptoms and is not the result of any disease. |
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Matt Whiting writes:
I'm guessing that is the BP the doc is looking for while taking the meds. It needs to be unusually low with the meds if it is to stay low enough without the meds. Maybe. But if the meds counteract the body's own attempts to raise BP it may never drop that low, simply because the body keeps raising it to more normal levels. Thus, you never get off the meds. The only way to see if it's normal without medication is to stop the medication, but most doctors won't risk that. The bad effects of hypertension are well documented, and doctors don't want to run the risk that the BP would run away if the meds were stopped. |
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Shirl writes: I just had mine renewed last week. My BP was 102/62. They just said it was "good", nothing whatsoever about it being low. It's low, but low is generally good as long as it doesn't produce symptoms and is not the result of any disease. Say Dr. Mxsmanic, the source of all true knowledge. You just don't get it, do you? Pronouncements like this just show you to be an arrogant fool. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Blood Pressure/Medical (longish)
Mxsmanic wrote in
: Matt Whiting writes: I'm guessing that is the BP the doc is looking for while taking the meds. It needs to be unusually low with the meds if it is to stay low enough without the meds. Maybe. But if the meds counteract the body's own attempts to raise BP it may never drop that low, simply because the body keeps raising it to more normal levels. Thus, you never get off the meds. The only way to see if it's normal without medication is to stop the medication, but most doctors won't risk that. The bad effects of hypertension are well documented, and doctors don't want to run the risk that the BP would run away if the meds were stopped. You are an idiot. Bertie |
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Mxsmanic wrote in
: James writes: I would have thought that 100/60 is pretty bloody low. It is. Is the Doctor getting kickbacks from the drug company? He is just being extremely conservative. I suspect he just doesn't want to take him off medication. I get told my BP is pretty good when it is 115/70. It is. Genrerally I am 120/80 and the highest I know about is 130/80. I did get a reall high reading after cutting myself badly, 152/95, but that does not really count! Injury and disease can temporarily raise BP. So can dozens of other things. Unfortunately, there aren't too many things that lower BP, besides medication, so if you have a lot of things raising it, and you can't identify those things and eliminate them, you end up on medication. Diet and exercise are very important, although some people might prefer medication without diet and exercise requirements rather than be required to diet and exercise in order to avoid the meds. Oh good god, he's dioing medicine now. Bertie |
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Mxsmanic wrote in
: Wizard of Draws writes: June 2007. I failed my 3rd class medical exam and was grounded. I am 50 years old, 5'9", 158 lbs. No family history of hypertension. But due to a number of current stress factors in my life, mother in law and father in law both passing away recently and suddenly, the work of disposing of the estate, a promotion at work entailing additional duties and responsibilities, a consistent lunch menu of Chinese food, and white coat syndrome, my blood pressure was elevated over the FAA acceptable limits. You can't be sure that any of these caused the hypertension, although it's certainly plausible that some or all of these factors may have played a part. When a second visit to the AME the next day resulted in even higher readings, he was forced to send the paperwork to Oklahoma City with his findings. Note to self, don't drink coca-cola for lunch right before your BP test. Coca-Cola wouldn't have much of an effect. However, white-coat syndrome can be pretty extreme, and could produce higher readings simply because you worry more on the second pass. I scheduled a visit with my personal doctor and he did the whole 9 yards, EKG, blood and all. The only thing he found wrong was high blood pressure of course, and that my cholesterol can be lowered a bit. But the BP was enough to have him start me on 5 mg Lisinopril and 25 mg Hydrochlorothiazide daily. I don't like taking drugs. I don't smoke, drink and never have. I push through pain of headaches when I get them, which is pretty rare anyway, thinking it's best to let my body rely on it's own coping mechanisms. Sorta 'what doesn't kill me, makes me stronger' mentality. This is not making me happy, on top of not being able to fly. I grumble and fuss. I agree with you. Physicians treat hypertension with drugs because they don't know how to treat it any other way. Diet and exercise helps some people, but not others. The assumption is that hypertension is bad because it seems clearly linked to so many other medical problems, and so it must be lowered by force if it doesn't go down on its own. I think it would be better to find out why bodies raise blood pressure in the first place, and correct the cause rather than treat the symptom, but nobody knows how to do that, and there doesn't seem to be a great deal of interest in finding out. Did you ever have any ambulatory BP monitoring? BP that is elevated at the doctor's office might not be anywhere else, if it is all due to white-coat syndrome. If it is only moderately elevated this is a possibility. If it is greatly elevated it is probably at least a little high even away from the doctor's office. But you don't know if you don't measure it. But now... now it's a bitch trying to get those 18 year old legs back. My lungs are back after 2 months of slogging 3 miles every other day in the heat and humidity of North Georgia, but the knees and ankles are still protesting quite loudly. A good pair of running shoes help, but on some days they help too much. I begin to feel comfortable with small glimpses of the ol' high and end up pushing it too much, paying for it the next day with very sore Achilles tendons. Are you overweight? Are you? Bertie |
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I seem to remember reading that in France one is likely to be treated
for hypotension at levels considered close to ideal in the states. Is that still the case? As far as being on meds for life, my husband's cardiologist wants very much for him, by weight control and exercise, to wean himself off the diuretic he's taking for mild hypertension. I guess he went to a different med school than did mxs. What fraction of Mxs's well written posts are wrong or misleading? Certainly enough to get newbe pilots in trouble, of course, but those who get their instruction here are likely to experience a new form of Darwinean deselection. On Sep 26, 7:36 am, "Viperdoc" wrote: Be advised that Anthony Atkielski is not a physician or AME, and should not be making medical decisions, let alone offering medical advice. He is not a medical practitioner of any kind. Perhaps he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express. Just as in his flying related posts, he thinks he knows a lot more than he actually does, and taking his advice could be dangerous to those who weren't aware of his background. |
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 06:38:34 -0500, in rec.aviation.piloting, "Viperdoc"
wrote: Anthony, are you overweight? http://www.monochrom.at/english/wow.jpg |
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Tina wrote in
oups.com: I seem to remember reading that in France one is likely to be treated for hypotension at levels considered close to ideal in the states. Is that still the case? As far as being on meds for life, my husband's cardiologist wants very much for him, by weight control and exercise, to wean himself off the diuretic he's taking for mild hypertension. I guess he went to a different med school than did mxs. What fraction of Mxs's well written posts are wrong or misleading? 100%. Even when he's right it's usually only half right. Bertie |
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On 2007-09-25 16:59:05 -0700, Wizard of Draws
said: I can fly again. Yea! Good to hear you are running again, too. -- Waddling Eagle World Famous Flight Instructor |
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