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What magic do the JS3 and Ventus 3 have that the ASG-29 Does not?



 
 
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Old August 13th 18, 02:25 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Well, for that price...no engine and prolly needing wing waviness sanded smooth. But reasonable for a good sports class plane.
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Old August 13th 18, 08:45 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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20 years of evolution

At 01:25 13 August 2018, Bojack J4 wrote:
Well, for that price...no engine and prolly needing wing waviness sanded
smooth. But reasonable for a good sports class plane.


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Old August 13th 18, 11:31 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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The (wise) play on words only works if you say "the nut that *holds* the stick".
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Old August 13th 18, 01:18 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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sunnuntai 12. elokuuta 2018 23.20.32 UTC+3 Bojack J4 kirjoitti:
After the definitive spanking these two new models gave to the previously dominant ASG-29,
there has to be a superiority. So, what is it?

(And yes, the pilot matters...but look at the results in 18m Worlds competition)


Spanking came from the fact that every top pilot chose to fly V3 or JS3.

It is kind of reassuring to see that in this age of "higher-wingloading-is-better" competitions are still won by glider that are designed to climb well.
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Old August 13th 18, 01:53 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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From the WGC competition results, I would rather draw the conclusion that the good pilots chose to fly JS3 or Ventus 3 rather than the ASG29. I would not conclude that one model has a clear advantage over the other. In previous competitions, pilots of Ventus 3 and ASG29 achieved comparable results. JS3 pilots did not always do so well in this years competition season over here in Germany.

You need to measure the performance of the gliders in similar conditions in order to compare them.
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Old August 13th 18, 03:55 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 2:35:07 PM UTC-7, K m wrote:
On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 2:20:32 PM UTC-6, Bojack J4 wrote:
After the definitive spanking these two new models gave to the previously dominant ASG-29,
there has to be a superiority. So, what is it?

(And yes, the pilot matters...but look at the results in 18m Worlds competition)


Lets face it ASG29's are as obsolete as Wind Jammers. I expect to see these at Vintage Regatta's soon.


Just to point out an ASG-29-15 won the 15 meter WGC with a Dianna 2 coming in second place.
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Old August 13th 18, 04:16 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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No, Kawa won the 15M championship. He just happened to have been in a 29. He would won in the Diana also, as he has many times before.
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Old August 13th 18, 04:19 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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The JS3 in 18m configuration smashed the 1250km FAI triangle record earlier this year. Many days in the latest round of the World's had the 18m (V3 and JS3) achieving speeds higher than the Open Class (EB29 and JS1C-21m) over similar task distances.
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Old August 13th 18, 04:36 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Monday, August 13, 2018 at 8:16:58 AM UTC-7, wrote:
No, Kawa won the 15M championship. He just happened to have been in a 29. He would won in the Diana also, as he has many times before.


You have missed the point entirely. Kawa would not have won in a "obsolete windjammer" and Kawa was NOT flying the Dianna 2 which DID beat all the other gliders, except for Kawa's ASG-29.
 




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