Russia Threatens to Strike Terror Bases

This article seems to indicate that the US State Dept. is pressing a policy of
negotiations with the Chechnyan rebels. Ummmm...calling Colin Powell: Get a
clue!! There is no reason to negotiate with the murderers of school children.

I'm with Putin. Fire up the bombers and wipe the criminals out.

And while we're at it Vladamir, it might be time to reconsider that nuclear
reactor that you are building for the Iranians. The whole purpose is merely to
give the Iranians a reason to have a nuclear enrichment program so they can
make nuclear bombs under the guise of making reactor fuel. The Israelis are
going to attack it if something isn't done before the process comes online. And
seriously doubt that anyone in Russia proper wants Chechnyan rebels with nukes,
do they?
Dave

MOSCOW (Sept. 8) - Russia's top general threatened on Wednesday to strike
terrorists "in any region of the world," and the Kremlin offered a $10 million
reward for information leading to the killing or capture of Chechnya's top
rebel leaders.

Russian officials also expressed growing anger with critics of the Kremlin's
policy in Chechnya and criticized the United States for its willingness to hold
talks with Chechen separatists.

The announcements marked a show of resolve aimed at Russia's stunned citizens,
as well as Western countries President Vladimir Putin accuses of hindering its
fight against terror, in the wake of three attacks that killed more than 400
people in the past two weeks.

In a nationally televised meeting, Prosecutor-General Vladimir Ustinov also
briefed Putin on the investigation into the taking of more than 1,200 hostages
in a school last week in the southern town of Beslan.

His was the first official acknowledgment that the number of hostages had been
so high; the government initially said about 350 people were seized. A regional
official later said the number had been 1,181.

Col.-Gen. Yuri Baluyevsky, chief of the general staff of Russia's armed forces,
asserted Russia's right to strike terrorists beyond its borders.

"As for carrying out preventive strikes against terrorist bases ... we will
take all measures to liquidate terrorist bases in any region of the world," he
told reporters.

Baluyevsky made his comments alongside NATO's supreme allied commander in
Europe, Gen. James Jones, after talks on Russia-NATO military cooperation,
including anti-terror efforts.

European Union officials reacted cautiously to Baluyevsky's statements, with
spokeswoman Emma Udwin saying she could not be sure whether they represented
government policy. Udwin said the 25-nation EU is against "extra-judicial
killings" in form of pre-emptive strikes.

Russian leaders have previously claimed the right to attack terrorists beyond
the country's borders - tacitly threatening neighboring Georgia that Moscow
would pursue Chechen rebels allegedly sheltering on its territory. Two Russian
agents were convicted this year for the February car bombing in Qatar that
killed a Chechen rebel leader, Zelimkhan Yandarbiyev. Russia denied involvement
in the assassination.

The Bush administration also has a policy of pre-emptive military action
against terrorists.

NATO officials declined comment. The alliance released a statement with Russia
stressing both sides' "determination to strengthen and intensify common efforts
to fight the scourge of terrorism."

Nationalist lawmaker Dmitry Rogozin told Ekho Moskvy radio the warning appeared
to be an effort to ease fears of terrorism in Russia following the crashes of
two planes after explosions, a Moscow suicide bombing and the school seizure.

Anger over the school attack simmered in North Ossetia, the southern Russian
region bordering Chechnya mourning the deaths of hundreds of children, parents
and teachers.

Regional President Alexander Dzasokhov promised a furious crowd of 1,000 that
the local government would step down within two days and said he would follow
suit if he could not fulfill the protesters' demands for an independent inquiry
- the first sign of officials being punished for failing to prevent the attack.

Russia's Federal Security Service offered a reward of $10 million - its biggest
bounty ever - for information that could help "neutralize" Chechen rebel
leaders Shamil Basayev and Aslan Maskhadov, whom officials have accused of
masterminding last week's hostage crisis.

The agency said Basayev and Maskhadov have been responsible for "inhuman
terrorist acts on the territory of the Russian Federation."

Maskhadov, the former president of Chechnya, had denied any involvement in the
school standoff, according to aides. There has been no word from Basayev, a
longtime rebel warlord who had claimed involvement in bloody raids and
hostage-takings in the past.

Basayev is believed to be hiding in Chechnya; Russian officials have sometimes
reported that Maskhadov has left the country.

Ustinov said 326 hostages were killed and 727 wounded in the school attack,
which ended Friday in a wave of explosions and gunfire. North Ossetian Deputy
Health Minister Teimuraz Revazov later said 329 were confirmed dead.

Ustinov said 210 bodies had been identified, and forensic workers also were
trying to identify 32 body fragments.

His deputy, Sergei Fridinsky, said the bodies of 12 attackers had been
identified and that some had taken part in a deadly June attack in the
neighboring republic of Ingushetia, the Interfax news agency reported.

The authorities appeared to be backpedaling from their previous insistence on
describing the attack as the work of international terrorists. At a meeting
with visiting Western journalists and analysts Monday, Putin repeated
investigators' allegations that 10 of the attackers were of Arab descent and
denied that the hostage-taking was linked to Russia's policy in Chechnya.

However, Ustinov said nothing about Arabs in his briefing. Asked about the
silence, a Kremlin spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, told The Associated Press that
forensic experts were working to identify the terrorists "and until that work
is finished, it's impossible to tell."

"According to preliminary data, there were Arabs," he said. "No one is denying
the presence of Arabs."

Fridinsky also appeared to contradict Putin by saying the attackers' demands
were tied to the war in Chechnya.

"The demands concerned chiefly political motives and were related to the
anti-terrorist operation," he said, according to Interfax, using the
formulation Russian authorities use instead of war.

The global issue of terrorism drew Russia closer to the United States and other
Western nations following the Sept. 11 attacks, when Putin expressed support
for U.S. anti-terror efforts.

But since the attack in Beslan, Putin and other top officials have turned up
the volume on their accusations that Western nations apply double standards and
hinder Russia's fight against terrorism by questioning its policy in Chechnya.

Responding to a statement by State Department spokesman Richard Boucher,
Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Wednesday that "we solve our internal
problems ourselves and there's no need to search for an American route to
political normalization in Chechnya," Interfax reported.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Yakovenko also lashed out at the United
States, saying talks with Chechens linked to rebel leaders are "absolutely
unacceptable."

"After all, we are talking about those individuals who stand behind bloody
attacks by terrorists in Russia, which have drawn the indignation of the entire
civilized word," Yakovenko said in a statement.

While joining condemnation of the school attack, the State Department said
Tuesday that Moscow ultimately must hold political talks with rebellious
Chechen leaders.

Wednesday's TV broadcast of Ustinov's briefing was the first attempt by the
government to give a formal account of the tragedy. The prosecutor said his
information was based on interviews with witnesses and the one alleged
attacker.

Ustinov said the approximately 30 attackers, including two women, had met in a
forest early Sept. 1 before heading to School No. 1 in Beslan in a truck and
two jeeps packed with weapons and ammunition.

People who had gathered to mark the first day of school were herded into the
gym by the militants, some of whom voiced objections to seizing a school.
Detainee Nur-Pashi Kulayev said the group's leader, who went by the name
Colonel, shot one of the militants and said he would do the same to any other
militants or hostages who did not show "unconditional obedience."

Later that day, he detonated the explosives worn by two female attackers,
killing them to enforce the lesson, Ustinov said.

One of the militants was stationed with his foot on a button that would set off
the explosives, Ustinov said; if he lifted his foot, the bombs strung up around
the school gymnasium would detonate, he said.

On Friday, the militants decided to change the arrangement of the explosives,
and they appear to have set off one bomb by mistake, Ustinov said. That sparked
panic as hostages tried to flee and the attackers opened fire.

09/08/04 19:27 EDT

seriously doubt that anyone in Russia proper wants Chechnyan rebels with
nukes,
do they?
Dave

Nuclear tipped ICBMs are not very suitable weapons aganist terrorists ,but they
are excellent weapons to deter countries that use terrorists as proxies.
The recipients of Putins televised message is without any doubt are Anglos who
use Al-Queda and other so called islamic terrorists as proxies to realize their
domestic and foreign policy goals.

Putins message is only a lightly disguised way of saying to US "Stop Al-Queda
terrorism inside Russia,or else".

If they are really serious,I am pretty sure that so called islamic terrorism
will take a vacation in Russia.

"Denyav" wrote in message
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seriously doubt that anyone in Russia proper wants Chechnyan rebels with
nukes,
do they?
Dave

Nuclear tipped ICBMs are not very suitable weapons aganist terrorists ,but
they
are excellent weapons to deter countries that use terrorists as proxies.
The recipients of Putins televised message is without any doubt are Anglos
who
use Al-Queda and other so called islamic terrorists as proxies to realize
their
domestic and foreign policy goals.

Putins message is only a lightly disguised way of saying to US "Stop
Al-Queda
terrorism inside Russia,or else".

If they are really serious,I am pretty sure that so called islamic
terrorism
will take a vacation in Russia.

What nonsense!

John

What nonsense!


1)Al-Queda is a Proxy of US.period.
2)The role of Al-Queda in Russia is to destabilize Russia and pave way for the
resurrection of Brzezinkis long dead "Eurasia" plan.
3)US is not an Anglo country,but is an Anglo dominated country.
4)If US were an Anglo country like England,Pearl Harbor and 9/11 would NOT
happen.


"as America becomes an increasingly multicultural society,it may find it more
diffucult to fashion a consensus on foreign policy issues,EXCEPT in the
circumstances of truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat"

Zbigniew Brzezinski 1997



Some minorities use Republican Guards some use PSYOPs and terrorists.

"John Mullen" wrote in message ...
"Denyav" wrote in message
...
seriously doubt that anyone in Russia proper wants Chechnyan rebels with
nukes,
do they?
Dave

Nuclear tipped ICBMs are not very suitable weapons aganist terrorists ,but
they
are excellent weapons to deter countries that use terrorists as proxies.
The recipients of Putins televised message is without any doubt are Anglos
who
use Al-Queda and other so called islamic terrorists as proxies to realize
their
domestic and foreign policy goals.

Putins message is only a lightly disguised way of saying to US "Stop
Al-Queda
terrorism inside Russia,or else".

If they are really serious,I am pretty sure that so called islamic
terrorism
will take a vacation in Russia.

What nonsense!

John

The US has a history of using islamic based insurgence as a wedge
against various European countries. The behaviour of the US during
the Yugoslave/Bosnian/Kosovo issues was highly pro-islamic, clearly
calculated to win favour in the middle east for the US oil interests
and zionist sympathies while snuffing out any possible rival post
eastern block alignments based on slavic ethniticities, orthodox
christianity. This was despite the fact that the former yugoslave
people were facing unprovoked terrorism, drug running, kidnapping and
murder in Kosovo. It was merely necessary to reframe sincere
anti-terrorism measures and the civil conflct as 'ethnic cleansing'
and 'genocide' (such crimes did occur but at a miniscule fraction of
the agit-prop propagandised rate and only AFTER NATO bombing reduced
the situation to disroder: the crimes also clearly weren't one sided)

Eunometic wrote:
The US has a history of using islamic based insurgence as a wedge
against various European countries.

Any proof to this absurd claim? The one you tried to use below doesn't fly.

The behaviour of the US during the Yugoslave/Bosnian/Kosovo issues

The US came in because the Europeans had allowed, through their own
inaction, a local mess to become so bad they couldn't handle it
themselves. The Europeans were very upset to find out their local
militaries were incapable of doing much of anything, and perhaps there
was a good reason after all for the US's defense budget.

If this is the type of thanks the US receives after it was invited in by
the Europeans to clean up their own mess in their back yard, then
perhaps next time we'll let you go it alone.

stop spam wrote in message ...
Eunometic wrote:
The US has a history of using islamic based insurgence as a wedge
against various European countries.

Any proof to this absurd claim? The one you tried to use below doesn't fly.

The behaviour of the US during the Yugoslave/Bosnian/Kosovo issues

The US came in because the Europeans had allowed, through their own
inaction, a local mess to become so bad they couldn't handle it
themselves. The Europeans were very upset to find out their local
militaries were incapable of doing much of anything, and perhaps there
was a good reason after all for the US's defense budget.

If this is the type of thanks the US receives after it was invited in by
the Europeans to clean up their own mess in their back yard, then
perhaps next time we'll let you go it alone.

That would be another one of those "invitations" that were preceded by
intense lobbying and pressure.

The US was chumping at the bit to have a go at a military intervention
and at the time was following a policy of agitating its Allies to take
more responsibillity globally (ie spend more money to unburden the US)
in implementing what was US policy anyway.

I don't see that ANY western european, US or NATO involvement was
required at all. It was confined to being a civil war that would most
likely have ended in dissolution of Yugoslavia along slightly
different (and better borders). It did not threaten neightbouring
countries and flows of refugees could be handled by population
transfers within the borders of the former Yugoslavia. It was far less
bloody than the butcherous American Civil war. What it seems to have
boiled down to is an unjustified intervention on vastly exaggerated
human rights grounds that was really about appeasing the muslim
populations in the Middle East and Turkey for strategic reasons.
There are in my opinion more people dead becuase of NATO intervention
than without it.

"Eunometic" wrote in message
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The US has a history of using islamic based insurgence as a wedge
against various European countries. The behaviour of the US during
the Yugoslave/Bosnian/Kosovo issues was highly pro-islamic, clearly
calculated to win favour in the middle east for the US oil interests

Utter tosh

The USA was initially reluctant in both cases to get involved and
the first country to recognise Bosnian independence
was Germany

Keith

On 9 Sep 2004 13:44:10 -0700, (Eunometic)
wrote:


The US has a history of using islamic based insurgence as a wedge
against various European countries. The behaviour of the US during
the Yugoslave/Bosnian/Kosovo issues was highly pro-islamic,

So you think the Serbs had a right to just kill and expell all the
muslims in Kosovo?

You are sick.

If that is your history of "using islamic based insurgence as a
wedge," you are also laughably pathetic.

wrote in message ...
On 9 Sep 2004 13:44:10 -0700, (Eunometic)
wrote:


The US has a history of using islamic based insurgence as a wedge
against various European countries. The behaviour of the US during
the Yugoslave/Bosnian/Kosovo issues was highly pro-islamic,

So you think the Serbs had a right to just kill and expell all the
muslims in Kosovo?

You are sick.

If that is your history of "using islamic based insurgence as a
wedge," you are also laughably pathetic.

Look mr. before YOU write ANYTHING about FRY, get to learn some
facts who has been living in Kosovo and which nationality/religion they
are/were. Just to give you a tip:

-Kosovo is INTEGRAL PART of Serbia (not Serbia and Montenegro) as much as
some county in the State of New York. That's the bloody Constitution of
Serbia states since 1945. It is not a "republic". It has as much right to
split as much as you have to split your municipality from your country. It
was simply "envisaged" as a part where overall ethnic minorities are in
majority! Go blame Tito for that!

- "Kosovars" do not exist, they are ALBANIANS of CHATOLIC as well as of
MUSLIM nationality (Chatolic in lesser percent). The ratio Albanians:Serbs
was roughly 80:20% BEFORE 1999 (not 1991!), now it is 96-97 percent
ALBANIANS, 2-3 percent SERBS and 1 percent others (including NATO).

Since you probably heard about Kosovo in 1999 or earliest in 1991, you
should know that former Yugoslavia was uncusesfully fighting Albanian
nationalism and separatism in Kosovo since 1980 when Tito died. The product
of such dissapointment was a Sebian nationalism, and Milosevic appeared like
Hitler appeared after the Crisis in 1933. Then other "Great fathers of
nation" appeared after him. Then all the hell broke loose in entire former
Yu.

- Milosevic is a WAR CRIMINAL that should be condemned because he, Tudjman
and Alija f***d up Croatia (10-11% Serbs 1991, now around 3%-"replaced" by
Croatian refugees from Bosnia, thanks to Karadjordjevo and a handkerchif
map) and B&H that was, before the war, shuffled with Muslims, Croats and
Serbs at equal rate.

Those three "leaders" above literally polarized the country(ies, Croatia and
B&H) to Serbian, Croatian and Muslim part despite claims of EU and SFOR or
NATO. The "Migty Trio" created such national movements in B&H (and Croatia)
unseen since the times of Otoman Empire.

And this happened in the heart of Europe in the late 20 Century.

NATO was "sooo kind" and allowed ethnic cleansing of SERBS, not ALBANIANS on
Kosovo AFTER they came in Kosovo. Milosevic was still in power when they
arrived because he is/was not interested in Serbian people but to have
POWER. When Yugoslav Army left Kosovo, qute soon so did the Serbs. If you do
not believe, go to Pristina today and try to utter a word in Serbian and you
will be lucky not to get beaten. Up to 1999, you could hear an Albanian talk
in Albanian in BELGRADE on BELGRADE TELEVISION that he is from Kosovo and
that he is in a "foreign country". Say that in Pristina as a Serb and you
will get KILLED. Any NATO/UN/EU "low level" foreign worker that mingles with
people in Kosovo knows this.

The gross misunderstanding and tackling of the "Balkan stuff" of Europe
towards Balkans since Austro-Hungarian Empire, up 'till European Community
and USA now, has ALWAYS resulted not just in killed Muslims, but Croats and
Serbs too.

Where were you when a Milosevic's pion Babic was forcing 150,000+ Croats out
from self-proclaimed "Republic of Serbian Krayina" (part of Croatia) in
1991-95? Where were you when Tudjman forced out around 350,000+ Serbs in
August 1995 from entire Croatia and "imported" Croat from B&H? Where were
you when those Croats were forced to get out of Bosnia from, let's say,
Kakanj or Prozor or Tuzla (from Muslims) and to move to Croatia? Where were
you when those Muslims were forced out from Banja Luka by Serbs who fled
before Muslims in Sarajevo? Where were you when the Serbs were forced out of
Drvar and 99% Serbian-populated Drvar is now 99% Croat-refugees populated
Drvar? Do you know the numbers of Serbian, Cratian, Muslim and Albanian
people in mass graves "produced" by all three/four nationalities and who
shot or slauthered them?

It is a Vicious Circle.

Mister, you should have been here. It is not called "Balkanian Cauldron" for
nothing or because after some dish.

We, the ordinary people that suffered consequences from this war (being
bashed, killed, tortured, displaced, hungry, dirty...) do not CARE who
started it anymore. This was not WW2, this was a CIVIL WAR.

Now go and explain Fmr Yu history 1991-1999 and beyond to somebody who does
not live here. In Balkans.


Nele

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