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  #11  
Old January 17th 15, 05:17 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Frank Whiteley
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On Saturday, January 17, 2015 at 7:10:30 AM UTC-7, wrote:
Would it not be less dramatic if the SSA merely added a check box for e-news on our member account page? Say, right under the field where our email ID is located? I also nuked the email w/o opening it.


http://www.ssa.org/GeneralNews?show=blog&id=3826

Unfortunately, that won't work, as you have to opt in with the service. Perhaps there will be a second posting for those who have not opted in, a link published in Soaring, or a request to contact the office if you wish inclusion (you can probably do that now anyway) so you'll get a second opt in request. As it's a paid member benefit, I doubt subscription links will be made available publicly.

A little prior warning would have helped of course.

Electronic newsletters are interesting critters from a webmaster or ISP perspective. Most ISP's have some kind of SPAM filtering in place which allows their users some to no control over white-listing or black-listing of e-mail senders. Some are very to overly aggressive at the server and ISP level, others, not so much. Plus ISP's may gray-list certain mail servers or IP addresses. It takes a fair amount of effort to determine the reason, clean up the problem, and request de-listing. On shared hosts this can affect several hundred domains.

Looking around, I found a survey comparing MailChimp against Constant Contact, with MailChimp apparently holding an edge among small businesses, but I see other reasons (cost) for wanting something like CC for an organization like the SSA. However, CC has some limiting issues which kind of stifle both content and creativity.

iContact reviews are pretty reasonable as is the cost for an organization like the SSA.

Self managed options included PHPList, but the user has to understand the nuances of throttling the sending queue to avoid poisoning the web host onto any number of black-lists. So if an aggressive ISP receives 50 e-mails in a short interval from the same e-mail, it might add that address to a SPAM blocker automatically. The long suffering mailman list-serv has no features to mollify this. Using subscription services gives access to some of the best features and protections for e-mail marketing. So there is enough effort involved that enterprising developers have been able to make a business case for providing quality services.

Frank Whiteley
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Old January 18th 15, 11:14 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Hi Frank, isn't checking a box on my SSA personal info page the same as 'opting in'?
~Barny
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Old January 19th 15, 01:52 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Frank Whiteley
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On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 3:14:50 PM UTC-7, wrote:
Hi Frank, isn't checking a box on my SSA personal info page the same as 'opting in'?
~Barny


Not according to iContact, which is apparently replacing Contact Contact as the SSA's e-News distribution service.

Frank Whiteley
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Old January 19th 15, 05:31 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Can someone give me a rational explanation of the spreading use of the
lower case "i" prepended to so many words? ...Or is it the mystic
symbol of the rapidly growing cult of the apple? The new Moonies...

(Please, Oh Spring... Please come soon!)

On 1/18/2015 5:52 PM, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 3:14:50 PM UTC-7, wrote:
Hi Frank, isn't checking a box on my SSA personal info page the same as 'opting in'?
~Barny

Not according to iContact, which is apparently replacing Contact Contact as the SSA's e-News distribution service.

Frank Whiteley


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Old January 19th 15, 09:21 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Frank Whiteley
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On Monday, January 19, 2015 at 9:31:54 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
Can someone give me a rational explanation of the spreading use of
the lower case "i" prepended to so many words?* ...Or is it the
mystic symbol of the rapidly growing cult of the apple?* The new
Moonies...



(Please, Oh Spring...* Please come soon!)




On 1/18/2015 5:52 PM, Frank Whiteley
wrote:



On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 3:14:50 PM UTC-7, wrote:


Hi Frank, isn't checking a box on my SSA personal info page the same as 'opting in'?
~Barny


Not according to iContact, which is apparently replacing Contact Contact as the SSA's e-News distribution service.

Frank Whiteley





--

Dan Marotta


http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/...4/daily18.html
  #16  
Old January 20th 15, 04:36 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Dan Marotta
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Thanks. So it's simply a "catchy" name.

I once knew someone named Jer, but when he wrote his name, it was
"Jer/". It wasn't pronounced, just written.

#D@n Yeah... That looks cool.


On 1/19/2015 1:21 PM, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Monday, January 19, 2015 at 9:31:54 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
Can someone give me a rational explanation of the spreading use of
the lower case "i" prepended to so many words? ...Or is it the
mystic symbol of the rapidly growing cult of the apple? The new
Moonies...



(Please, Oh Spring... Please come soon!)




On 1/18/2015 5:52 PM, Frank Whiteley
wrote:



On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 3:14:50 PM UTC-7, wrote:


Hi Frank, isn't checking a box on my SSA personal info page the same as 'opting in'?
~Barny


Not according to iContact, which is apparently replacing Contact Contact as the SSA's e-News distribution service.

Frank Whiteley





--

Dan Marotta

http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/...4/daily18.html


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Dan Marotta

  #17  
Old January 21st 15, 05:50 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Frank Whiteley
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On Tuesday, January 20, 2015 at 8:36:31 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
Thanks.* So it's simply a "catchy" name.



I once knew someone named Jer, but when he wrote his name, it was
"Jer/".* It wasn't pronounced, just written.



#D@n* Yeah...* That looks cool.






On 1/19/2015 1:21 PM, Frank Whiteley
wrote:



On Monday, January 19, 2015 at 9:31:54 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:


Can someone give me a rational explanation of the spreading use of
the lower case "i" prepended to so many words?* ...Or is it the
mystic symbol of the rapidly growing cult of the apple?* The new
Moonies...



(Please, Oh Spring...* Please come soon!)




On 1/18/2015 5:52 PM, Frank Whiteley
wrote:



On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 3:14:50 PM UTC-7, wrote:


Hi Frank, isn't checking a box on my SSA personal info page the same as 'opting in'?
~Barny


Not according to iContact, which is apparently replacing Contact Contact as the SSA's e-News distribution service.

Frank Whiteley





--

Dan Marotta


http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/...4/daily18.html





--

Dan Marotta


Yes, Jer/ is still alive and kicking and flying. You're not on his list? He sends out a blast now and again.

Frank Whiteley
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Old January 24th 15, 06:56 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Frank Whiteley
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On Friday, January 23, 2015 at 6:45:05 PM UTC-7, Don Johnstone wrote:
At 22:14 18 January 2015, wrote:
Hi Frank, isn't checking a box on my SSA personal info page the same as
'opting in'?
~Barny


Clicking a box on a form is no different to clicking anywhere else, unless
of course the programmer is a halfwit, then of course anything could
happen. There is no reason whatsoever why clicking a box should not
generate a link or any other programmable action. Amazing the lengths some
people go to to avoid a simple solution.


True, but AFAIK, iContact is a vendor that was contacted by the SSA office for a service. Looking at the iContact web site does indicate that use of the API will probably allow an opt in via the member locator option. I suppose no one at the SSA office bothered to discuss this with the SSA webmaster. If someone call the SSA office and suggested using the iContact API it would be an interesting conversation. I'm sure he could make it happen from a check box and perhaps that should be a future option is iContact performs as expected. Ever think about how many members could/would edit their personal profile if asked?

Like many solutions, simple, but not easy.

Opting out is so much more effective than opting in (from an organizational POV).

That's why USENET was so popular and mailing lists work, because they are so pushy. It's why social media works also.

Frank Whiteley
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Old January 24th 15, 04:18 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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"Opting out is so much more effective than opting in" = unchecking a box.
 




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