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Wellll... back in the 70's there was theoretical discussion as to just
how large a formation was need to actually "land". So, in 30 years, they'v decided that it's...not possible? Not practical? Not doable? It seems with enough bodies, you could "glide" to a landing, no? (Well, the landing itself might be a bit harsh...) Inquiring minds want to know! -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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"EDR" wrote in message ... In article , Mackfly wrote: From: EDR Date: 4/8/04 9:56 AM Central Daylight Time With the surface area of 140 bodies linked together, the formation can be "flown" (until it loses shape and integrity). Yous guys gotta get that notion out of your heads "FLOWN." Ya might change your path a couple of degrees but ya ain't a flying. And ya ain't never gonna. A rock is a Rock, is a Rock, is a Rock. mac Wellll... back in the 70's there was theoretical discussion as to just how large a formation was need to actually "land". I believe that number is one. It has been done many, many times. They might want to add a survival rate in the high 99% range to the equation. |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:76bdc.215540$_w.2079914@attbi_s53...
From AvWeb: "If you're planning on flying into Lakeland, Fla., for Sun 'n Fun, be on the alert for large formation skydiving over Zephyrhills Airport between April 14 and April 18, sunrise to sunset. Zephyrhills (ZPH) is located 16 nautical miles northwest of Lakeland, on Lakeland's 332-degree radial. The airport will be the site of a world record attempt involving 140 skydivers and seven jump aircraft. Getting caught in the middle could prove ... messy." We are planning to fly into Sun N Fun next week. Last year we were forced to land short, because the field was closed -- and Zephyr Hills was the most logical airport when coming from the north. It was an absolute zoo getting in there, because EVERYONE was stuck doing the same thing. Now they're going to try to stick 140 skydivers into this mix? I'm having a hard time visualizing 20 aircraft coming into land -- at an uncontrolled field -- with 140 meat-bombs under canopy... Seems like they might have tried to find a better location and/or time for this record attempt? Aw, come on. Let's play nice together and share our airspace with everyone. I guarantee that you won't be able to miss 140 skydivers falling through the sky. They are easy to spot. Anytime you are in the vicinity of a dropzone(the parachute symbol on your sectional) make sure that you have your radio tuned to the proper CTAF for the airport. They will announce their jump run and when jumpers are away. After that wait 60-90 seconds for the airspace above 4000' to clear and another 5 minutes for the jumpers to land their canopies. The record attempt won't jump more than once every couple of hours(at the most), so your airspace will be tied up for 7 minutes out of 120+. Remember that they will always be upwind from the dropzone. Their distance depends on the winds and their intended opening altitude, but generally it will be a mile or less. There are literally dozens of dropzones in the Central Florida area. Central Florida is one of the most popular areas of the country to skydive. On one trip to Orlando, I jumped 5 different dropzones within an hours drive of Orlando. And I didn't make it to all the dropzones that I wanted to. I've been a skydiver a lot longer than I've been a pilot, but skydivers still make me nervous when I'm a pilot and pilots make me nervous when I'm a skydiver. I did have an incident a number of years ago that was the result of a controller who thought the skydivers didn't belong in his airspace and refused to talk to our pilot. He failed to warn us of an approaching American Eagle flight that was 5000 feet below us and approaching at 200+ knots. When our 3-way skydiving formation got to the American Eagle's altitude there was about 100 feet of separation. We waved at the pilot with saucer sized eyeballs as we went by. Obviously this incident could have been fatal for the skydivers and everyone onboard the American Eagle flight. All it would have taken to avoid the incident was a little communication. That's all it will take in this situation. Communicate. BTW, since you are now informed about the situation at Zephyrhills, if you still don't like the situation, simply don't use this airport. There are plenty of other airports around. Kenny G. "You can't swim in a boat or fly in an airplane, get out of the vehicle and enjoy the element." |
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"Roger Halstead" wrote in message And I believe the jump schools at
Zypher Hills as well. Jumpers were at ZPH before Sun-n-Fun was at LAL. ZPH lies under a Victor airway (which is one of only 2 victor airways into South Florida without going into Class B airspace). There is a parachute next to ZHP on the sectional. Notams are routinely issued IAW FARs. It may be nuts to those who choose to sensationalize it. Realistically, it happens most weekends. Now then, who has the right-of-way, the plane or the jumper? D. |
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"Capt.Doug" wrote in message ... Now then, who has the right-of-way, the plane or the jumper? The plane. § 105.5 General. No person may conduct a parachute operation, and no pilot in command of an aircraft may allow a parachute operation to be conducted from an aircraft, if that operation creates a hazard to air traffic or to persons or property on the surface. |
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Back when I used to skydive I remember the following saying being
proudly yelled to the local pilots: "If driving a plane is flying, then why isn't driving a boat called swimming?" On 08 Apr 2004 19:57:57 GMT, (Mackfly) wrote: From: EDR Date: 4/8/04 9:56 AM Central Daylight Time With the surface area of 140 bodies linked together, the formation can be "flown" (until it loses shape and integrity). Yous guys gotta get that notion out of your heads "FLOWN." Ya might change your path a couple of degrees but ya ain't a flying. And ya ain't never gonna. A rock is a Rock, is a Rock, is a Rock. mac |
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"Jay Honeck" moaned:
Now they're going to try to stick 140 skydivers into this mix? I'm having a hard time visualizing 20 aircraft coming into land -- at an uncontrolled field -- with 140 meat-bombs under canopy... Seems like they might have tried to find a better location and/or time for this record attempt? Tampa Bay Soaring is based there too. My sister has 500+ jumps out of Sky Dive City there. They've coexisted with Skydive City nicely for many years. It'll be fine. The meat bombs don't stay up very long. |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net...
"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ... They're probably saying the same thing about Sun'n Fun. With just as much justification. Hmmm...., hasn't Sun 'n Fun been at that same location for some 25 years or so? Not a very good argument. Z-Hills has had continuous skydiving operations there since the mid-60's. During it's heyday some considered it "the" premier "drop-zone" in the world. Also, the jump center is a business and the time of year around Easter has historically been one of it's busiest seasons. We skydivers like to get along with pilots. Can't jump without them. :-) (just my humble opinion!) |
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wrote in message om... Not a very good argument. Z-Hills has had continuous skydiving operations there since the mid-60's. During it's heyday some considered it "the" premier "drop-zone" in the world. Also, the jump center is a business and the time of year around Easter has historically been one of it's busiest seasons. We skydivers like to get along with pilots. Can't jump without them. :-) (just my humble opinion!) What argument did you assume I was making? |
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