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"gatt" wrote: wrote in message news:20050527142925.731 So... why scramble F15's to intercept? Sounds like someone is loosing it. I fly near restricted airspace all the time, granted I don't loiter, but noone says I can't loiter outside restricted airspace. Guess I need to revisit where I fly less I be shot down. They didn't shoot him down. Last time I was between Edwards and Palmdale (pre-9/11) they had strange security going on. First clue were the submachine guns at the Palmdale gate. Second clue was the AC-130 gunship orbitting Edwards. Third clue was the strange bare-aluminum aircraft with fighter escort moving from Palmdale to Edwards... Fourth clue was the X-32 sitting on the flightline when we got there, and the NASA/Dryden people warning us not to look too much "that direction." Makes me wonder if there might have been a test underway at Edwards or something. -c What's the big deal about the X-32? It is just a JSF (Joint Strike Fighter)... They ain't all that secret anymore! -- Chris Schmelzer, MD Capt, 110th Fighter Michigan ANG University of Michigan Hospitals Ann Arbor, MI |
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Larry Dighera wrote: On Sat, 28 May 2005 02:00:55 GMT, George Patterson wrote in rhQle.2245$zb.131@trndny02:: We've been repeatedly warned that loitering around sites like this will result in interceptions. I have seen no such warnings. There have been warnings not to loiter over nuclear facilities and open air assemblies, but I'm not aware of any warnings against loitering outside Restricted airspace. You haven't?!? Hope you don't have any nuclear power plants in your area! We have one just south of here..You can cruise by it if you want, but start doing circles above it and you are likely to get a visit from the FBI -- Chris Schmelzer, MD Capt, 110th Fighter Michigan ANG University of Michigan Hospitals Ann Arbor, MI |
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"Dave S" wrote in message ink.net... Matt Barrow wrote: at 18,027' 1", Captain." They can also say, "The pilot is a male Caucasian, 34 years old, 5'11" tall and 205 lbs, married with two kids...not getting any from his old lady." I guess this is the same data gathering ability that said "Yes, Iraq had WMD's" as well? Not trying to flame a political debate, but yanno... there IS a limit to capabilities. Ya know...some people equate intelligence gathering the way that Hollywood portrays it in the spy movies. I guess all those 100,000 Kurds really weren't gassed, huh? |
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"Montblack" wrote in message ... ("Matt Barrow" wrote) [snip] Given that there was, overall, merely and uproar resulting from these episodes, would you rather they over-react, or under-react? Finding the exactly right balance is not something humans seem to gravitate to, especially bureaucracies. Key word is "react." When a snake strikes, instinctive "reaction" is to jump - I think all mammals do this (except elephants, who can't jump. Apparently hippos can jump. Who knew?) Then fight or flight kicks in. Later, reason finally takes over and a well thought out plan to either avoid the snake in the future or kill the snake is now in order. I think our government is sill a little "jumpy." Tell someone "HALT" and when they don't, there's reason to escalate the reaction to the next level. What was it we heard, dozens of intrusions happen each week, but only this one made a big splash. Then, too, the rest of them respond when challenged. -- Matt --------------------- Matthew W. Barrow Site-Fill Homes, LLC. Montrose, CO |
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Dave S wrote:
I guess this is the same data gathering ability that said "Yes, Iraq had WMD's" as well? No, this is a state-of-the-art military radar system. Not trying to flame a political debate, Bull****. George Patterson Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry, and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing? Because she smells like a new truck. |
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Dave S wrote:
From what the ATC can see its more like: 17,900 or 18000 feet.. the Mode C encodes in 100 ft increments Except this wasn't ATC. This was the U.S.A.F.. George Patterson Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry, and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing? Because she smells like a new truck. |
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"Bob Noel" wrote in message ... In article , "Matt Barrow" wrote: Remember, 9/11 was Bush's fault for not acting sooner, wow. Not _my_ take. It's from those who equate intelligence gathering with the Hollywood spy movie model. |
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On Sat, 28 May 2005 17:03:42 -0400, Chris Schmelzer
wrote in :: In article , Larry Dighera wrote: On Sat, 28 May 2005 02:00:55 GMT, George Patterson wrote in rhQle.2245$zb.131@trndny02:: We've been repeatedly warned that loitering around sites like this will result in interceptions. I have seen no such warnings. There have been warnings not to loiter over nuclear facilities and open air assemblies, but I'm not aware of any warnings against loitering outside Restricted airspace. You haven't?!? Hope you don't have any nuclear power plants in your area! We have one just south of here..You can cruise by it if you want, but start doing circles above it and you are likely to get a visit from the FBI I believe George was referring to Edwards Air Force Base, not nuclear plants. |
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Larry Dighera wrote:
I have seen no such warnings. There have been warnings not to loiter over nuclear facilities and open air assemblies, but I'm not aware of any warnings against loitering outside Restricted airspace. Here's an example -- 1/3352 ...SPECIAL NOTICE... FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE, PURSUANT TO 14 CFR 99.7, SPECIAL SECURITY INSTRUCTIONS, OPERATIONS WITHIN THE TERRITORIAL AIRSPACE OF THE U.S. THIS IS A RESTATEMENT OF A PREVIOUS ADVISORY. PILOTS ARE ADVISED TO AVOID THE AIRSPACE ABOVE, OR IN PROXIMITY TO, SITES SUCH AS NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS, POWER PLANTS, DAMS, REFINERIES, INDUSTRIAL COMPLEXES, MILITARY FACILITIES AND OTHER SIMILAR FACILITIES. PILOT SHOULD NOT CIRCLE AS TO LOITER IN THE VICINITY OF SUCH FACILITIES. WIE UNTIL UFN Note the phrase "military facilities." George Patterson Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry, and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing? Because she smells like a new truck. |
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On Sat, 28 May 2005 23:19:10 GMT, George Patterson
wrote in O%6me.6984$zb.398@trndny01:: PILOTS ARE ADVISED TO AVOID THE AIRSPACE ABOVE, OR IN PROXIMITY TO, SITES SUCH AS NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS, POWER PLANTS, DAMS, REFINERIES, INDUSTRIAL COMPLEXES, MILITARY FACILITIES AND OTHER SIMILAR FACILITIES. PILOT SHOULD NOT CIRCLE AS TO LOITER IN THE VICINITY OF SUCH FACILITIES. Thank you for the information, George. I guess I overlooked 'military facilities' in those NOTAMS. |
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