Cherokee 6 manual/info?

It looks like I will have a mission to pick up a PA32-300 on Thurs. Can
anyone point me to an online copy of the flight maual, or perhaps some of
the pertinent information? I've got a couple of hours in a PA32-260 some
years ago, and will have a copy of the manual available when I pick up the
airplane, however I would like to prepare myself somewhat. Any warnings or
items I should watch out for?

Thanks,

Al G

Al wrote:
It looks like I will have a mission to pick up a PA32-300 on Thurs. Can
anyone point me to an online copy of the flight maual, or perhaps some of
the pertinent information? I've got a couple of hours in a PA32-260 some
years ago, and will have a copy of the manual available when I pick up the
airplane, however I would like to prepare myself somewhat. Any warnings or
items I should watch out for?

Have your right leg ready on the takeoff roll. Use lots of rudder trim for
takeoff. Otherwise typical Cherokee behavior.

The PA32R-300T (T-tail Lance) that I flew was pretty squirrely on the ground, a
real handful for directional control, but I think that was just something screwy
about the gear on that particular aircraft. Also it was a real ground-lover,
long takeoff runs, which exacerbated the directional control issue.

In article ,
"Al" wrote:

It looks like I will have a mission to pick up a PA32-300 on Thurs. Can
anyone point me to an online copy of the flight maual, or perhaps some of
the pertinent information? I've got a couple of hours in a PA32-260 some
years ago, and will have a copy of the manual available when I pick up the
airplane, however I would like to prepare myself somewhat. Any warnings or
items I should watch out for?

What year?
I have manuals for a 1972 and a 1978. There are differences depending on
aircraft serial number.
Does the one you will be flying have club seating or all forward facing?
- Fuel management is the important thing. The outboards have 17 gal, the
inboards/mains have 25. The tab on the inboards/mains may be at 15
gallons or 18 gallons, depending on the serial number. Know which one
you have. You will need this information depending on the load you will
be carrying. I think the -300 series with the straight wing has 84 gal
(17-25-25-17) usable, the -301 series with the taper wing has 96 gal
(48-48) usable.
- Find out how accurate the fuel flow gauge is. You fly off the mains
first, then the outboards.
- The manual warns that it may take up to 12 seconds to get fuel flowing
from a full tank to the engine if one tank is run dry. [It may give you
a warning, listen for the engine surging! Ask me how I know! ;-) ]
- Cruise at 16-18 gph, depending on what the owner wants.
- Full throttle altitude will vary with OAT, between 6000-8000 feet MSL.
- Know your speeds for the current weight you are flying. (Make a table
using a spreadsheet or word processor.)
- Use 10-deg flaps for all takeoffs to reduce takeoff run.
- Fly the airplane using trim.
- I prefer to fly high MP/low RPM at cruise, make sure you have a power
chart handy. Remember, at or below you can fly LOP without harming the
engine.

john smith writes:

[...] - I prefer to fly high MP/low RPM at cruise, make sure you
have a power chart handy.

Likewise, but:

Remember, at or below you can fly LOP without harming the engine.

"at or below" what?

- FChE

In article ,
(Frank Ch. Eigler) wrote:

john smith writes:

[...] - I prefer to fly high MP/low RPM at cruise, make sure you
have a power chart handy.

Likewise, but:

Remember, at or below you can fly LOP without harming the engine.

"at or below" what?

Sorry... 65% power

"john smith" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Frank Ch. Eigler) wrote:

john smith writes:

[...] - I prefer to fly high MP/low RPM at cruise, make sure you
have a power chart handy.

Likewise, but:

Remember, at or below you can fly LOP without harming the engine.

"at or below" what?

Sorry... 65% power

That's true for the -300, the -260 is carburated, LOP is not recommended.

"john smith" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Al" wrote:

It looks like I will have a mission to pick up a PA32-300 on Thurs.
Can
anyone point me to an online copy of the flight maual, or perhaps some of
the pertinent information? I've got a couple of hours in a PA32-260 some
years ago, and will have a copy of the manual available when I pick up
the
airplane, however I would like to prepare myself somewhat. Any warnings
or
items I should watch out for?

What year?
I have manuals for a 1972 and a 1978. There are differences depending on
aircraft serial number.
Does the one you will be flying have club seating or all forward facing?
- Fuel management is the important thing. The outboards have 17 gal, the
inboards/mains have 25. The tab on the inboards/mains may be at 15
gallons or 18 gallons, depending on the serial number. Know which one
you have. You will need this information depending on the load you will
be carrying. I think the -300 series with the straight wing has 84 gal
(17-25-25-17) usable, the -301 series with the taper wing has 96 gal
(48-48) usable.
- Find out how accurate the fuel flow gauge is. You fly off the mains
first, then the outboards.
- The manual warns that it may take up to 12 seconds to get fuel flowing
from a full tank to the engine if one tank is run dry. [It may give you
a warning, listen for the engine surging! Ask me how I know! ;-) ]
- Cruise at 16-18 gph, depending on what the owner wants.
- Full throttle altitude will vary with OAT, between 6000-8000 feet MSL.
- Know your speeds for the current weight you are flying. (Make a table
using a spreadsheet or word processor.)
- Use 10-deg flaps for all takeoffs to reduce takeoff run.
- Fly the airplane using trim.
- I prefer to fly high MP/low RPM at cruise, make sure you have a power
chart handy. Remember, at or below you can fly LOP without harming the
engine.

Thanks John.

No clue yet what year or config, I do know that the "Load" is 1 pax in
addition to me.

Al G.

When I checked out in one years ago, with just the instructor and myself
onboard we had to load two cases of oil in the aft baggage compartment
to stay in the envelope. With just you two onboard, for heavens sake
don't load any baggage in the forward compartment. Stay near the center
or aft half of the W/B envelope and you won't find a tendency to hug the
ground or prang the nose wheel first. Properly loaded it flies off the
ground much better than the Mack truck you expect it to be.

The right rudder requirement is only a problem if you find yourself at
full throttle and low ground speed (little rudder authority). Since the
nose wheel is direct connected to the rudder pedals, a lot of pilots
tend to shove the power in and then steer with the nose wheel. If you've
got enough runway there's no need to cram it all in at the beginning of
the roll. As with any large engined aircraft, slow and deliberate yields
pleasant results.

We used to haul passengers in both the 260 and 300 for a small real
estate development outfit. The 300 is the right size plane with the
right size engine. Plenty of power to haul what you can get in it --
something the 260 often came up short on.


-----Original Message-----
From: Al ]
Posted At: Monday, June 26, 2006 16:47
Posted To: rec.aviation.owning
Conversation: Cherokee 6 manual/info?
Subject: Cherokee 6 manual/info?


"john smith" wrote in message
news:jsmith-A2C33B.14391126062006@network-065-024-007-
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In article ,
"Al" wrote:

It looks like I will have a mission to pick up a PA32-300 on
Thurs.
Can
anyone point me to an online copy of the flight maual, or perhaps
some
of
the pertinent information? I've got a couple of hours in a PA32-260
some
years ago, and will have a copy of the manual available when I pick
up
the
airplane, however I would like to prepare myself somewhat. Any
warnings
or
items I should watch out for?

What year?
I have manuals for a 1972 and a 1978. There are differences
depending on
aircraft serial number.
Does the one you will be flying have club seating or all forward
facing?
- Fuel management is the important thing. The outboards have 17 gal,
the
inboards/mains have 25. The tab on the inboards/mains may be at 15
gallons or 18 gallons, depending on the serial number. Know which
one
you have. You will need this information depending on the load you
will
be carrying. I think the -300 series with the straight wing has 84
gal
(17-25-25-17) usable, the -301 series with the taper wing has 96 gal
(48-48) usable.
- Find out how accurate the fuel flow gauge is. You fly off the
mains
first, then the outboards.
- The manual warns that it may take up to 12 seconds to get fuel
flowing
from a full tank to the engine if one tank is run dry. [It may give
you
a warning, listen for the engine surging! Ask me how I know! ;-) ]
- Cruise at 16-18 gph, depending on what the owner wants.
- Full throttle altitude will vary with OAT, between 6000-8000 feet
MSL.
- Know your speeds for the current weight you are flying. (Make a
table
using a spreadsheet or word processor.)
- Use 10-deg flaps for all takeoffs to reduce takeoff run.
- Fly the airplane using trim.
- I prefer to fly high MP/low RPM at cruise, make sure you have a
power
chart handy. Remember, at or below you can fly LOP without harming
the
engine.

Thanks John.

No clue yet what year or config, I do know that the "Load" is 1 pax in
addition to me.

Al G.

The useful load on the -260 is greater than the -300.

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
.net...

We used to haul passengers in both the 260 and 300 for a small real
estate development outfit. The 300 is the right size plane with the
right size engine. Plenty of power to haul what you can get in it --
something the 260 often came up short on.


-----Original Message-----
From: Al ]
Posted At: Monday, June 26, 2006 16:47
Posted To: rec.aviation.owning
Conversation: Cherokee 6 manual/info?
Subject: Cherokee 6 manual/info?


"john smith" wrote in message
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027.columbus.rr.com...
In article ,
"Al" wrote:

It looks like I will have a mission to pick up a PA32-300 on
Thurs.
Can
anyone point me to an online copy of the flight maual, or perhaps
some
of
the pertinent information? I've got a couple of hours in a PA32-260
some
years ago, and will have a copy of the manual available when I pick
up
the
airplane, however I would like to prepare myself somewhat. Any
warnings
or
items I should watch out for?

What year?
I have manuals for a 1972 and a 1978. There are differences
depending on
aircraft serial number.
Does the one you will be flying have club seating or all forward
facing?
- Fuel management is the important thing. The outboards have 17 gal,
the
inboards/mains have 25. The tab on the inboards/mains may be at 15
gallons or 18 gallons, depending on the serial number. Know which
one
you have. You will need this information depending on the load you
will
be carrying. I think the -300 series with the straight wing has 84
gal
(17-25-25-17) usable, the -301 series with the taper wing has 96 gal
(48-48) usable.
- Find out how accurate the fuel flow gauge is. You fly off the
mains
first, then the outboards.
- The manual warns that it may take up to 12 seconds to get fuel
flowing
from a full tank to the engine if one tank is run dry. [It may give
you
a warning, listen for the engine surging! Ask me how I know! ;-) ]
- Cruise at 16-18 gph, depending on what the owner wants.
- Full throttle altitude will vary with OAT, between 6000-8000 feet
MSL.
- Know your speeds for the current weight you are flying. (Make a
table
using a spreadsheet or word processor.)
- Use 10-deg flaps for all takeoffs to reduce takeoff run.
- Fly the airplane using trim.
- I prefer to fly high MP/low RPM at cruise, make sure you have a
power
chart handy. Remember, at or below you can fly LOP without harming
the
engine.

Thanks John.

No clue yet what year or config, I do know that the "Load" is 1 pax in
addition to me.

Al G.

Steve,
For that to be true then the increase from engine weight and
associated accessories is greater than the pounds/horsepower of the 260.
Also, the gross weight increase of the aircraft has to be less than the
increase weight from the engine and accessories. I'm struggling to see
how that's possible -- but then I can't find my manuals either. If
someone has the figures for the 260 and the 300 circa 1972, I'd
appreciate seeing the data posted here for the gross weight and typical
useful loads.

I realize that was 35 years ago, but I was pretty sure the 300
could carry more then the 260.


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve S ]
Posted At: Thursday, June 29, 2006 15:54
Posted To: rec.aviation.owning
Conversation: Cherokee 6 manual/info?
Subject: Cherokee 6 manual/info?

The useful load on the -260 is greater than the -300.

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
.net...

We used to haul passengers in both the 260 and 300 for a small real
estate development outfit. The 300 is the right size plane with the
right size engine. Plenty of power to haul what you can get in it --
something the 260 often came up short on.


-----Original Message-----
From: Al ]
Posted At: Monday, June 26, 2006 16:47
Posted To: rec.aviation.owning
Conversation: Cherokee 6 manual/info?
Subject: Cherokee 6 manual/info?


"john smith" wrote in message
news:jsmith-A2C33B.14391126062006@network-065-024-007-
027.columbus.rr.com...
In article ,
"Al" wrote:

It looks like I will have a mission to pick up a PA32-300 on
Thurs.
Can
anyone point me to an online copy of the flight maual, or
perhaps
some
of
the pertinent information? I've got a couple of hours in a
PA32-260
some
years ago, and will have a copy of the manual available when I
pick
up
the
airplane, however I would like to prepare myself somewhat. Any
warnings
or
items I should watch out for?

What year?
I have manuals for a 1972 and a 1978. There are differences
depending on
aircraft serial number.
Does the one you will be flying have club seating or all forward
facing?
- Fuel management is the important thing. The outboards have 17
gal,
the
inboards/mains have 25. The tab on the inboards/mains may be at
15
gallons or 18 gallons, depending on the serial number. Know which
one
you have. You will need this information depending on the load
you
will
be carrying. I think the -300 series with the straight wing has
84
gal
(17-25-25-17) usable, the -301 series with the taper wing has 96
gal
(48-48) usable.
- Find out how accurate the fuel flow gauge is. You fly off the
mains
first, then the outboards.
- The manual warns that it may take up to 12 seconds to get fuel
flowing
from a full tank to the engine if one tank is run dry. [It may
give
you
a warning, listen for the engine surging! Ask me how I know! ;-)
]
- Cruise at 16-18 gph, depending on what the owner wants.
- Full throttle altitude will vary with OAT, between 6000-8000
feet
MSL.
- Know your speeds for the current weight you are flying. (Make a
table
using a spreadsheet or word processor.)
- Use 10-deg flaps for all takeoffs to reduce takeoff run.
- Fly the airplane using trim.
- I prefer to fly high MP/low RPM at cruise, make sure you have
a
power
chart handy. Remember, at or below you can fly LOP without
harming
the
engine.

Thanks John.

No clue yet what year or config, I do know that the "Load" is 1 pax
in
addition to me.

Al G.