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I moved
things around to have the original switch power the cowl and the split switch power the wing lights. Do I understand this right.. after installing the kit, each wing light is controlled independently from each other. Does the STC allow you to substitute a "standard" type single switch in lieu of the split switch? Jesse N4372X |
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Jay Masino wrote:
: The way it was explained to me, once upon a time, was... Landing/Taxi : lights are considered "intermitant loads" and are not added in for the 80% : load calculation. Same goes for pitot heat. In fact, when you're adding : up your loads, you only add the receive power draw for your Com radios, : and not the transmit power draw. I just did the power budget on my Cherokee after installing a whole panel of equipment. It's amazingly vague how one is supposed to calculate that stuff. I would consider landing/taxi lights and landing gear operation (A friend has electric-gear'd Comanche) "intermittent loads"... also probably the Tx on the COM (perhaps even adjusted to the 20% duty cycle rated for the radios). I would *NOT* consider pitot heat an intermittent load. I want that to be able to run whenever I need it.... even if I shouldn't be in that situation to begin with. It'd rate it right up there with carb heat for continuous operation. -Cory -- ************************************************** *********************** * Cory Papenfuss * * Electrical Engineering candidate Ph.D. graduate student * * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * ************************************************** *********************** |
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"zatatime" wrote in message news On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:07:37 GMT, "John Kunkel" wrote: All three turned on at idle would exceed the alternator output. Doesn't that make your airplane "illegal" (technically speaking of course). I thought the total draw of an electrical system could not exceed 80% of the output capacity of the alternator. Am I incorrect, or is there more to this concept? The operative phrase is "at idle". At cruise rpm the alternator would carry the load quite well. |
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Jay,
I put them on my Six back in '97. They are great, especially on a Six since the pavement illuminated by the stock nose light is mostly obscured by the long nose. Yes the parts are cheaper than the replacement tips, but you'll make up the difference in the install labor. As I recall, the install was about 20 hours. They come with Q4509 lamps, which last a long time in the tips. I've only replaced one bulb in some 800 hours, and I have them on flash on every flight. My install is a bit unique. The lights come with a split rocker switch that is marked L and R, intended to connect to each wing light so you can control them independently. The recognition flasher comes with an additional switch, and it essentially connects electrical switches in parallel with the L and R switches. If you follow the STC wiring, you have to add two new switches to your panel. On mine, we added a pair of Piper relays under the seat in place of the L and R switches in the supplied connection diagram. The L-R switch supplied was put in the panel in the place of the original landing light switch. The L side is connected to the existing nose light circuit, and also to the coil on both of the added relays so that when L is on, all 3 lights come on (L=landing light). The R side of the switch is connected to the recognition flasher box, so when it is on and the L side is off, the wingtips alternate and the nose remains off (R=recognition). Each light has it's own pullable breaker so I can individually turn off lights if I need to (although the nose light has to be on to turn on the wing lights since the nose circuit powers the relays). The advantage is one switch operates all the lights and there are no new switch holes to make in the panel (the split L-R rocker switch matches the original grey rocker switches in size and shape). Jay Honeck wrote: Has anyone had any experience with the 'skylight' brand of wing lighting? I have never heard of it until today when I saw it in a flyer for Cherokee Pilots Assoc. I have been looking at wingtip lighting... but it's pricey. The skylight lighting is mounted into the leading edge, rather than the wingtips and is about half the cost of the wingtip set up. Thanks. They are a popular option for Cherokee Six, Pathfinder and Dakota drivers, cuz our wing-tip gas tanks preclude the installation of the more common wingtip landing lights. I've been eying them longingly for the last couple of years, but have never actually spoken with anyone who has them installed. The guy who makes them is apparently very "old school," and he has neither email nor a website. But the price is sure right. I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who has experience with them, too. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" -- --Ray Andraka, P.E. President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc. 401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950 http://www.andraka.com "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, 1759 |
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You can't wire all 3 lights to one switch without relays. The switch can't
handle the current. The switches are rated for 10 or 15A. Jay Honeck wrote: I installed a set on my Arrow II and have only good things to say about the kit and the finished product. How many hours did it take to install? Do you have the split landing light switch now, or did you wire them to the existing switch? -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" -- --Ray Andraka, P.E. President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc. 401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950 http://www.andraka.com "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, 1759 |
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It's 80% of the max alternator output current. Mine just barely came under
the 80% when they were installed, but then I later added an autopilot which brought it over the 80%. The avionics shop got around it by adding a placard stating something to the effect that the autopilot may not be engaged with the landing lights on. Jay Masino wrote: zatatime wrote: All three turned on at idle would exceed the alternator output. Doesn't that make your airplane "illegal" (technically speaking of course). I thought the total draw of an electrical system could not exceed 80% of the output capacity of the alternator. Am I incorrect, or is there more to this concept? The way it was explained to me, once upon a time, was... Landing/Taxi lights are considered "intermitant loads" and are not added in for the 80% load calculation. Same goes for pitot heat. In fact, when you're adding up your loads, you only add the receive power draw for your Com radios, and not the transmit power draw. --- Jay -- __!__ Jay and Teresa Masino ___(_)___ http://www2.ari.net/jmasino ! ! ! http://www.oceancityairport.com http://www.oc-adolfos.com -- --Ray Andraka, P.E. President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc. 401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950 http://www.andraka.com "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, 1759 |
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Not really. Two lamps exceed the current capacity of the switch. You could use a
similar switch that has two poles operated by a single rocker to control the wing lights, but the nose light would still have to be separate. The other option is to use relays actuated by the nose light circuit like I did on mine. The relays are piper relays rated for continuous use. I believe they are the same part number as the avionics master relay. Jessewright8 wrote: I moved things around to have the original switch power the cowl and the split switch power the wing lights. Do I understand this right.. after installing the kit, each wing light is controlled independently from each other. Does the STC allow you to substitute a "standard" type single switch in lieu of the split switch? Jesse N4372X -- --Ray Andraka, P.E. President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc. 401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950 http://www.andraka.com "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, 1759 |
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