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Well, obviously, I missed part of the conversation. If I spoke out of turn, I apologize. The part I did catch didn't make sense to me at the time and I was probably taking things a bit too literally. I can see where you going with this. You probably took this a bit too literally. That bring us back to the previous question. "What does having been owned by a deaf helicopter have to do with the auction of a car?" I don't know. Maybe, some people think that car have a sentimental value. Maybe, the seller is trying to make a profit by using that article. I don't know what the seller's motive behind this. Either way, I think his advertising is plainly stupid. But, the seller might get lucky. Toks Desalu PP-ASEL Dyin' to Soar! |
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Some facts about deaf pilots:
1. The first one was Cal Rodgers away back in 1911. He was the first pilot, hearing or deaf, to transit the United States, in a Wright Model B called the Vin Fiz. 2. At any one time, approximately 150 to 175 active pilots hold U.S. certificates bearing the limitation "Not valid for flights requiring the use of radio." Australia also allows deaf private pilots, subject to its more stringent limitations on no-radio flight. All European countries forbid deaf private pilots, though several allow them to fly ULM aircraft (Ultralight Motorized, comparable to the U.S. Sport Pilot rating). 3. Some deaf pilots hold commercial certificates. At least one holds an instrument rating. (He uses a cochlear implant and communicates with ATC.) 4. The NTSB has never blamed an accident on a deaf pilot's lack of hearing. There *are* certain problems involved with being a deaf pilot. One is that since 9/11 they have not been able to fly through an ADIZ because of their inability to communicate with ATC. The Deaf Pilots Association has wanted to fly in loose formation to the Bahamas and back, but it can't do this without a hearing pilot along, Another is that they can't transit Class B airspace, as Toks Desalu mentioned. For instance, deaf pilots can't use the VFR routes across O'Hare's Class B but have to go around. That's not generally a major problem, though. Although deaf pilots can and do use Class D and Class C airports with light signals, often a tower will deny permission owing to heavy traffic. Some towers refuse permission at all, even during light-traffic periods. Some FBOs refuse to rent aircraft to deaf pilots, although doing so is a clear violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act. (Fortunately this doesn't happen often, and usually gentle re-education solves the problem.) Henry |
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 19:04:09 -0400, "Toks Desalu"
wrote: It is not a scam or anything. They fly strictly under VFR, like any other pilots who fly without radio. Since I had to get a SODA to fly with monocular vision (left eye blind for all practical purposes), I have to believe that a deaf pilot also has a SODA, and that it restricts what airspace he can enter. Be an interesting question if one visits the local FSDO. all the best -- Dan Ford email: (put Cubdriver in subject line) Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com Viva Bush! www.vivabush.org |
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On 26 Sep 2004 00:54:08 -0700, (Brien K.
Meehan) wrote: Deaf pilots have a limitation on their license, "Not Valid for Flights Requiring the Use of Radio". But wouldn't that rule out even Delta airspace? all the best -- Dan Ford email: (put Cubdriver in subject line) Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com Viva Bush! www.vivabush.org |
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When a private company like Phillips Petroleum operates the control tower is
it still considered a control tower? They offer advisories but caution you they are not controlling traffic at Bartlesville, Oklahoma. Neither are they part of ATC, however they will open and close clearances as a courtesy. Things may have changed because I haven't been there in a while, but there are still privately operated towers around the country aren't there? -- Jim Carter "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message nk.net... "Steve R." wrote in message ... That's for communications with the control tower at a controlled field airport, not ATC! It's not ATC that staffs control towers? Maybe, Maybe it's not ATC that staffs control towers? Who do you think staffs them? but if the guy is 20 miles out and needing clearance to enter the airport traffic area, he's not going to be able to "see" the signal lights very well, is he? What is this airport traffic area that requires clearance to enter at 20 miles out? What if he needs to transit a Class B airspace to get to the controlled field? Then he's almost certainly outta luck. ATC must separate all traffic in Class B airspace and it's rather hard to do that without communications. If he can't hear, he can't communicate with ATC, thus, he can't get clearance. I've got to wonder if this one isn't a scam. The question was, "How does one communicate with ATC when one is deaf?" It's a simple question. One CAN use light gun signals. Can you think of any others? Incidentally, there was a time when most aircraft had no radios and light gun signals were the main form of pilot/controller communications at towered fields. Signal lights are for short range, visual communications and there's no use for them outside the airport traffic area. That's all true. So what's your point? Incidentally, we haven't had Airport Traffic Areas in the US for almost eleven years now. |
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(bryan chaisone) wrote in message . com...
How does one communicate with ATC when one is deaf? Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tego ry=31853 Bryan I trained a couple of pilots who were deaf and they often went into controlled airports. It was done via flight plans in which the destination airport was advised NO RADIO and the pilots look for light signals on arrival downwind. My pilots would write out their flight plan and ask someone to call FSS to file it for them (via notes and pantomime)and to open it when they took off. Certainly they would be unable to fly legally in Class B but even then a 7600 transponder code would alert ATC to a potential problem. On a recent training flight we lost electrical and for all practical purposes were "deaf". It was good for my student as he was able to see how to actually come back into controlled airspace, alert the tower of a radio problem, and land/taxi back to parking. No big deal if you use your head and all the available resources. Ol Shy & Bashful |
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Let me clarify my question. As a rated pilot, I am aware of the use
of light signals when your radio is out. My question should have been 'Are there ways for a deaf pilot to communicate with ATC other than using light signals?'. Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone (bryan chaisone) wrote in message . com... How does one communicate with ATC when one is deaf? Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tego ry=31853 |
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"Cub Driver" wrote in message ... But wouldn't that rule out even Delta airspace? No. One can obtain authorization to operate NORDO aircraft in Class D airspace, that's essentially the same situation as a deaf pilot. |
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