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"Andy Durbin" wrote in message om... "Bill Daniels" wrote in message If you have a glider that exhibits a pronounced float in ground effect, I'd advise against a no-spoiler approaches. I think this may be where accidents due to training will be greater than those due to a real spoiler failure. Bill Daniels I think the distinction should be made between no spoiler patterns/circuit/approaches and no spoiler landings. I think a simulated jammed closed, or jammed open, situation is useful training but, as I said earlier, I always released the malfunction on short final. The landing float was not an issue as spoiler/airbrake could be used for the landing. When doing simulated engine fails with airplane pilots I always make it clear that the engine is available on short final. No point in busting the airplane with a hard landing. Andy I'll eagerly accept that any exercise that improves a students judgement in pattern work is worthwhile and I agree that no spoiler patterns would do that. The problem is that some have interpreted the "no-spoiler" exercise as a landing to a stop without the use of any spoilers at all to simulate a spoiler system failure. That's scary. Bill Daniels |
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Andreas Maurer wrote in message
Does this mean that the student pilot makes the approach by using sideslip only? Bye Andreas Depending on the simulated malfuction the student will make the approach with full spoilers or with no spoilers. A slipping approach can be used in either case to vary the glide path. For the case where a full open jam is simulated at the spoiler check on downwind, it gets obvious fairly quickly whether the pilot can adapt to the condition. I thought this was a standard training/evaluation exercise in UK. Any comments from the UK group? Andy |
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Sigh...
Ah well, I gave it a try. Some valley's just can't be crossed. |
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In that sense, is demonstrating
proficiency in it any less "practical" a test item than some of the ground reference maneuvers found in the airplane PTS? I did a full slip and got really low at one point, and my CFI at the time remarked he wasn't comfortable that low with a wing down. I took a look out the side and said to myself "Self, where did those hella long wings come from?" and then pulled out the slip. Heck yeah, slips in a glider are a lot different than in a 152 :PPP |
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I'll eagerly accept that any exercise that improves a students judgement in
pattern work is worthwhile and I agree that no spoiler patterns would do that. The problem is that some have interpreted the "no-spoiler" exercise as a landing to a stop without the use of any spoilers at all to simulate a spoiler system failure. That's scary. Bill Daniels In many situations I could see it being scary, but in at least one case I liked it. I flew a Katana DA-20-C1, and the instructor simulated a no-electrics landing. With no flaps, the thing floated all the way down the runway, and we went around (but we could have landed, long runway). His point was to show that if the flaps (like spoilers) fail, find a looong runway. If the runway is long enough, no problem... |
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