HPh304s (Fes) owners

Hi,

Any HPH304s owners (with Fes would be excellent) out there willing to share their experience with that bird?

Not much interested in performance , more comfort, easy of handling and suitability for low time pilot.

Post sales service etc.

I will much appreciate it.

Yours,

Slawek

I've flown one a couple of times.Â* Delightful handling and terrific
trailing edge dive brakes.

On 8/2/2019 11:46 AM, wrote:
Hi,

Any HPH304s owners (with Fes would be excellent) out there willing to share their experience with that bird?

Not much interested in performance , more comfort, easy of handling and suitability for low time pilot.

Post sales service etc.

I will much appreciate it.

Yours,

Slawek

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Dan, 5J

Do you know how it compares to LS8 in terms of stability? Or DG300?

S

At 20:41 02 August 2019, Dan Marotta wrote:
I've flown one a couple of times.Â* Delightful handling and terrific
trailing edge dive brakes.

On 8/2/2019 11:46 AM, wrote:
Hi,

Any HPH304s owners (with Fes would be excellent) out there
willing to
share their experience with that bird?

Not much interested in performance , more comfort, easy of
handling and
suitability for low time pilot.

Post sales service etc.

I will much appreciate it.

Yours,

Slawek

--
Dan, 5J

I take it you mean the Shark (comes in Jet, FES and self-launch
versions), not the 304 CZ, an almost entirely different glider which
is the one with the trailing edge brakes.

Paul

Yes.

HPH304 Shark.

S

At 10:04 03 August 2019, wrote:
Yes.

HPH304 Shark.

S


OK. I have 500 hrs in a Shark SJ. Very nice to fly. Well built,
well thought through. The cockpit is a good size (I'm 6 ft 2, 90kg
and long in the back). I find it very comfortable - I can do 6 hr +
flights without any problem (which I don't find in some other
gliders). Lots of electrical power, so it can support a full suite of
avionics for that time and longer.

It's a little heavier empty than say a 29, and you really need a
rigging aid to rig, but it's straightforward if you have that. I fly at
about 500kg dry, so I can add about 100kg water if I want to. It
handles that well, and becomes a bit more stable.

On mine I get a little airflow around my feet, so use overshoes
when it's cold outside. But that might be specific to my airframe.

I like the jet - it's a good choice of powerplant. I get about 130km
range in still air - which is about twice the actual range of the FES I
think (all the FESs, not just the Shark). But the FES seems to work
reasonably, at least to give you more choice as to where you land
(we have two FES Sharks and a Discus at our club).

It doesn't quite have the performance of a 29 or a JS-1, but then
it's not as expensive. If you're in gliding to win competitions you
might want to spend more, but if like most people, you're in it for
fun, then it might suit you.

The flaps are straightforward - landing flap is nothing like as
aggressive as say an early 20 (which I had prior to the Shark), and
the airbrakes are good.

I've found the support in the UK superb, but can't comment on
what the support would be like in the US - it's very dependent on
the agent, I think.

Paul

Thanks! That is helpful.
What is the deployment time of Jet vs Fes?

S

On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 1:46:49 PM UTC-4, wrote:
Hi,

Any HPH304s owners (with Fes would be excellent) out there willing to share their experience with that bird?

Not much interested in performance , more comfort, easy of handling and suitability for low time pilot.

Post sales service etc.

I will much appreciate it.

Yours,

Slawek

I owed a 304CZ. #6 new from the factory.

After leaving my Libelle 201B to the 304CZ...

Trailing dive brakes are fantastic. They are genius! You can put this bird into any field, and short. Fantastic circuit control in the pattern. Quality and room in the cockpit were very good. I'm 6'-0" and had to take my shoes off to be comfortable in the Libelle, but the 304CZ had plenty of room. I liked the flap handle position better than my 27. If I recall, it matched the Ventus configuration. It looks like in that era, everyone was copying the others design!

Moved on to the ASW27. A generation apart so you can't expect it to perform like the 27.
It was somewhere in the 41/42 L/D range.


You can't go wrong with a Glasflugal design... If I ever sold my ASW27, I would go back to my favorite bird, the Libelle 201b!

Don't know if this helps because you're asking about the shark... I would assume the cockpit is similar to the 304CZ. Looks like a great choice for what you're looking for...
I have the *.dwg of the panel if you ever need it and comparable to the shark...

Gary
ASW27b
(SQ)

Thanks,

Cockpit comfort is key as much as safe handling. Hph304cz is no longer in production I think.

S

On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 9:11:21 AM UTC-4, wrote:
Thanks,

Cockpit comfort is key as much as safe handling. Hph304cz is no longer in production I think.

S

Does the Shark have trailing dive brakes?