Swift Boat Guys Caught in Some Great Big Lies

Art asked concerning my military record:
And yours?.

I left out two hazarous duty efforts. I was certified as a food taster at the
Wake Island flight line cafeteria and Honorary City Official of MacTan City,
PI.

Rick

"OXMORON1" wrote in message
...
Art wrote:

I got 10 Air Medals. Battle stars on my ETO ribbon for D-Day,
Po Valley, Battle of Central Europe, etc. Also Battle of the Atlantic
medal and Army of Occupation medal.


Okay, if I read your list correctly, you were there for the Air Medals
and the Battle Stars, the other two are theater awards.


Battle stars on an ETO ribbon sure sound like theater awards to me.

Steve wrote:
Battle stars on an ETO ribbon sure sound like theater awards to me.

Steve reread what I wrote:
Okay, if I read your list correctly, you were there for the Air Medals
and the Battle Stars, the other two are theater awards.


I acknowledged the Battle Stars, They are definitely not theater awards.
Art has every right to be proud of those Battle Stars.
In fact Art has every right to be proud of his service and it is appreciated.
What Art does not have to right to do (without taking the heat) is to deny the
service of people who served in or out combat in every little crappy war that
Uncle Samuel has gotten into since 1945. I especially resent Art's lack of
respect for the people who maintained and serviced his aircraft and his
intolerance for anyone whose opinion differs from his.
I am also asking Art for his wartime command experience to justify his
expertise on the responsibility and pressures of command.

Rick

"OXMORON1" wrote in message
...
Steve wrote:
Battle stars on an ETO ribbon sure sound like theater awards to me.

Steve reread what I wrote:
Okay, if I read your list correctly, you were there for the Air Medals
and the Battle Stars, the other two are theater awards.


No need, I understood it the first time I read it.



I acknowledged the Battle Stars, They are definitely not theater awards.


Why not? Why would any device on a theater ribbon not be considered a
theater award?

Subject: Swift Boat Guys Caught in Some Great Big Lies
From: "Steven P. McNicoll"
Date: 8/20/2004 9:04 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: . net


"OXMORON1" wrote in message
...
Art wrote:

I got 10 Air Medals. Battle stars on my ETO ribbon for D-Day,
Po Valley, Battle of Central Europe, etc. Also Battle of the Atlantic
medal and Army of Occupation medal.


Okay, if I read your list correctly, you were there for the Air Medals
and the Battle Stars, the other two are theater awards.


Battle stars on an ETO ribbon sure sound like theater awards to me.


That is because you are stupid,you can go into Paris during the war the war and
ereryone there who had a desk job had an ETO ribbon, The difference were the
battle stars which showed that you had taken part in battles. Got it now ?
Guess you were never in a battle were you wannabbee?


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: Swift Boat Guys Caught in Some Great Big Lies
From: (OXMORON1)
Date: 8/20/2004 7:49 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Art wrote:
I got 10 Air Medals. Battle stars on my ETO ribbon for D-Day, Po Valley,
Battle of Central Europe, etc. Also Battle of the Atlantic medal and Army
of
Occupation medal.

Okay, if I read your list correctly, you were there for the Air Medals and
the
Battle Stars, the other two are theater awards. No question that you served
in
dangerous situations.
What was your promotion history? Were you ever commissioned or were you a
warrant officer throughout your career?
Did you hold any squadron secondary jobs other than your primary MOS as an
aircrew member? I mean prior to the occupation duty in Germany.
Just trying to dig through this to establish the basis for some of the crap
floating around.

My record, not much, Master Navigator, Flight Instructor, Combat Crew Member,
An Air Medal or two.
My masterpiece is a Good Conduct Medal from when I was an enlisted swine. I
got that one because I sucessfully evaded the AP's.

Rick



How many missions did you have to fly to get an Air Medal?


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: Swift Boat Guys Caught in Some Great Big Lies
From: (OXMORON1)
Date: 8/20/2004 9:30 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Steve wrote:
Battle stars on an ETO ribbon sure sound like theater awards to me.

Steve reread what I wrote:
Okay, if I read your list correctly, you were there for the Air Medals
and the Battle Stars, the other two are theater awards.


I acknowledged the Battle Stars, They are definitely not theater awards.
Art has every right to be proud of those Battle Stars.
In fact Art has every right to be proud of his service and it is appreciated.
What Art does not have to right to do (without taking the heat) is to deny
the
service of people who served in or out combat in every little crappy war that
Uncle Samuel has gotten into since 1945. I especially resent Art's lack of
respect for the people who maintained and serviced his aircraft and his
intolerance for anyone whose opinion differs from his.
I am also asking Art for his wartime command experience to justify his
expertise on the responsibility and pressures of command.

Rick



I was one bombardier in one plane in one squadron in one group in one wing in
one air force. Period. My command knowledge is zero as is yours.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: Swift Boat Guys Caught in Some Great Big Lies
From: "Steven P. McNicoll"
Date: 8/20/2004 9:39 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: et


"OXMORON1" wrote in message
...
Steve wrote:
Battle stars on an ETO ribbon sure sound like theater awards to me.

Steve reread what I wrote:
Okay, if I read your list correctly, you were there for the Air Medals
and the Battle Stars, the other two are theater awards.


No need, I understood it the first time I read it.



I acknowledged the Battle Stars, They are definitely not theater awards.


Why not? Why would any device on a theater ribbon not be considered a
theater award?


Is there no end to your military ignorance?



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Steve asked:
Why not? Why would any device on a theater ribbon not be considered a
theater award?

Because a Battle Star is more than a "I was in the neighborhood ribbon". You
get stationed in the area and you get a theater ribbon, the Battle Stars
indicate participation in the action.

Rick

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
...

That is because you are stupid,


You believe logic is stupid?



you can go into Paris during the war the war and ereryone there who had
a desk job had an ETO ribbon, The difference were the battle stars which
showed that you had taken part in battles. Got it now ?


Apparently not, devices on a theater ribbon still sound like theater awards
to me.



Guess you were never in a battle were you wannabbee?


Why would I want to be in a battle?